Cam locking tool

[Drew_182]

Aye so phoned ac renault at g mouth this morn, turns out theyr not allowed to sell this/order it in?

 

[Dan@SJM]

b****cks. You can order them.

 

[Drew_182]

Just told me no. Anyone know of any garages preferable near central Scotland that will order up?

​cheers

 

[ben lee]

could try adam the main renault parts guy,wests renault or one of the other traders on here.

 

[Chri5]

Not allowed to sell it?? Have you got the part numbers for them? They should do if you give them the number and say I want this......just as if it was a shock absorber or something!

 

[Fred@BTM]

ring 01902 439264 speak to Adam and he'll post it out no problem

 

[Drew_182]

Thanks guys. Will order Monday. Was aiming to do timing belt but no wanting to chance the cams skipping a tooth. Costing a fortune between bearings, timing/aux belts n body shop. Thing is sweet tho!

 

[Fred@BTM]

Monday is bank holiday

you need the crank pin, the horseshoe, the pulley locking tool and the extra cog - all that is knocking on for £180 i think

 

[Drew_182]

Screw drivers punches n c spanners do same job

 

[MG cup]

Iirc I was only £65 for the Cam locking tool with extra cog from Adam. I can't see the horseshoe and crank pin being all that much more.

 

[Dan@SJM]

Screw drivers punches n c spanners do same job

Lol oh dear.

Awaiting the thread "no compression after cambelt change"

 

[Dan@SJM]

Iirc I was only £65 for the Cam locking tool with extra cog from Adam. I can't see the horseshoe and crank pin being all that much more.

Horse shoe is something like £54.

 

[Drew_182]

Nah done plenty, first time on one o these though

 

[bmh.01]

Then you're aware of the fully floating setup and the necessity of all the timing tools then and the procedure involved then.

 

[Beasley Clio182]

Nah done plenty, first time on one o these though

Good luck without all the tools ! Seriously buy them all!

The cams and crank are fully floating no key ways here mate !

 

[MG cup]

Nah done plenty, first time on one o these though

'IF' the timing is right to begin with you can just about get away without the cam locking tool, if you need to re seal the cam cover its a needed for sure.

I was of the same impression as you to begin with, having done loads of different timing belts I thought I could get away without. Cam cover needed done so I was fucked. Even if you buy the tools they will have good resale value. One better is do another belt for someone which will pay for your belt and the tools minus some of your time.

 

[Fred@BTM]

^nope, inlet and exhaust HAVE to be slackened even when replacing just the cambelt

 

[MG cup]

^nope, inlet and exhaust HAVE to be slackened even when replacing just the cambelt

I know. If your going by the book then its needed when you tension the belt. Like I said above you can just about get away with it 'IF' the timing is right to begin with. Being pikey it is more than possible with the horseshoe out, put it in after to check.

 

[Fred@BTM]

See i thought that so gave it a go without undoing the pullies (timing was **** on before starting) just the horseshoe, new belt on, tensioned up **** on, turned it over 5 times, locked it back up, timing was out and the tensioner was miles off

 

[MG cup]

Hairy muff, you like your tensioners to be spot on don't you lol

 

[Fred@BTM]

when someone is paying me £600 i like to do the job perfectly

 

[MG cup]

when someone is paying me £600 i like to do the job perfectly

So how much do you charge for a timing belt, my car has 280bhp with a k-Tec filter if that changes the price?

 

[Drew_182]

Not sure if its me being niave, but can't see why you need to lock more than the cams at top and crank then change... Not touching the dephaser?

 

[Dan@SJM]

Because you rotate the belt to set the tension without removing the locking tools.

 

[Ryan172]

To correctly tension the belt the pulleys which are fully floating need to be held firstly by a tool so you can slacken the nuts off without turning the camshafts while the "horseshoe" tool holds the camshafts then once the pulleys are spinning you can tension belt. Do it without the pulleys loose then your timing WILL be out.

 

[Drew_182]

Sake. God dam French. Give me back my Honda!!

 

[Kenny.s]

I just bought a full set of timing tools from the dealers in Stirling, just up the road from you by the looks of it. Ask for Ryan when you get through to parts. Give them a call on Tuesday, only takes a day or two to get them in.
I bought a load of other stuff at the same time so not sure exactly how much they were but £180 would sound about right.

 

[MG cup]

Adam @renault Wolverhampton will do them a lot cheaper for you.

 

[Drew_182]

I just bought a full set of timing tools from the dealers in Stirling, just up the road from you by the looks of it. Ask for Ryan when you get through to parts. Give them a call on Tuesday, only takes a day or two to get them in.
I bought a load of other stuff at the same time so not sure exactly how much they were but £180 would sound about right.

​You not selling once your done?

 

[Chri5]

So do we have an actual current price on the tools yet?? £180 seems alot, I had some before about 2 years ago and it was nearer £140....have they gone up that much?!

 

[MG cup]

So do we have an actual current price on the tools yet?? £180 seems alot, I had some before about 2 years ago and it was nearer £140....have they gone up that much?!

Another case of phone phobia is it lol?

 

[mikekean]

The Cup racer manual cambelt procedure does not specify slackening of the cam pulleys. I have all 3 of the Renault timing tools and timed my cup racer motor up as per Fred, the timing was correct as you would expect. But last night I did the cambelt on my 172 cup and decided to see if it could be done without slackening of the pulleys as per the Cup racer manual.

Locked the crank and cams off, replaced the belt and re-tensioned, marked the cam pulleys and removed the locking tools, rotated the motor 5-6 times clockwise. Refitted the crank locking pin, checked the marks I had made on the cam pulleys and they all line up, checked the tensioner marks still lined up, refitted the cam locking tool with a light tap from a rubber mallet. So everything still lined up and the belt was still correctly tensioned.

Whether I was just lucky i dont know but why does the racer manual not specify slackening of the pulleys? I think if the cam pulleys have not been touched since they car left the factory then there shouldnt be a reason to slacken the pulleys aslong as you are using a genuine belt.

 

[Chri5]

No I'm going to phone Adam today, was just asking to save me the bother

 

[MG cup]

The Cup racer manual cambelt procedure does not specify slackening of the cam pulleys. I have all 3 of the Renault timing tools and timed my cup racer motor up as per Fred, the timing was correct as you would expect. But last night I did the cambelt on my 172 cup and decided to see if it could be done without slackening of the pulleys as per the Cup racer manual.

Locked the crank and cams off, replaced the belt and re-tensioned, marked the cam pulleys and removed the locking tools, rotated the motor 5-6 times clockwise. Refitted the crank locking pin, checked the marks I had made on the cam pulleys and they all line up, checked the tensioner marks still lined up, refitted the cam locking tool with a light tap from a rubber mallet. So everything still lined up and the belt was still correctly tensioned.

Whether I was just lucky i dont know but why does the racer manual not specify slackening of the pulleys? I think if the cam pulleys have not been touched since they car left the factory then there shouldnt be a reason to slacken the pulleys aslong as you are using a genuine belt.

I totally agree its only logical. If its only a belt you are doing and nothing else and everything was fine before it definitely will work as you have seen.

 

[mark123]

The Renault pdf going around also says you don't need to undo the cam pulleys to just do the belt. A Renault mech I know said he didn't undo the cam pulleys when changing the 1*2 belts.

I've done it this way with no problems.

 

[Chri5]

Ok, got some current prices from Adam: all include VAT

crank pin - 0000105400 £15
Cam shaft locking tool - 0000149600 £54.60
Cam pulley tool - 0000150900 £57
Extra long cog for pulley tool - 0000150981 £24

Only 150900 is available quickly at the moment, the others are on back order so could take a little while to order in.