Camshafts Question's

[Aydon182]

I have a RS Clio 182 2004 Reg and ideally I am looking for a camshaft package and remap that will add more acceleration lower down the revs rather than higher up the rev range it is for a car used daily so faster road Camshafts is what I have in mind. If you guys can answer these questions it would be massively appreciated.

1. What type of Camshafts are the best for a quicker 0-60 time / more power lower down the rev range?
2. Do Camshafts that increase higher rev range power suffer by making your car slower at lower rev range speeds?
3. Does your MPG take a big impact by Camshafts?
4. Ideally I'd like to spend £800-£1500 on a Camshafts and remap package is this realistic?
5. The K tec cams offer a new cambelt with there fitted package, do all the camshaft install packages offer the cams-remap and a new cambelt? This is very appealing to me as I will be wanting a new cambelt soon too.
6. Are insurance okay about changing Camshafts?

I am not expecting massive gains from Camshafts don't get the wrong idea, and also please don't post silly comments like "why do you want a faster 0-60? Have u been promised a fingerbang in the car park" just answer the questions if you can it will be massively appreciated, if you can answer just a couple of them would be great, thanks , Aydon

 

[Christopher]

Please post in the correct forum.

 

[Budgie]

Most companies will fit a new cambelt kit when you have cams changed. You need to remove the cambelt to take the old ones out, so it makes sense.

If a company offers to re-use your old one, walk away.

 

[Aydon182]

Christopher: Sorry

Budgie: Thanks

 

[jjones82]

Majority of cams will lose you a bit of power lower down the rev range but gain higher up, they shift the power band further up the rev range normally.
Insurance all depends on the company/ your age etc. But i'm with adrian flux and are fine with cams and other mods, cheaper than anywhere else for me.
Havent really noticed any difference in mpg at all tbh.
I spent £749 all in for remap and cam package with engine dynamics in essex so a budget of £1500 is more than reasonable.
Virtually any cam that will increase your bhp will increase your 0-60.
I think catcam's 438 cam is your best choice increases everywhere from 2250 revs up (increases may be slightly higher up the rev range if you have a 172 with 4-1 manifold). K-tec and sideways danny were doing packages i think

 

[172Ben]

Have a search mate. Cams have come up a lot recently

 

[Aydon182]

Majority of cams will lose you a bit of power lower down the rev range but gain higher up, they shift the power band further up the rev range normally.
Insurance all depends on the company/ your age etc. But i'm with adrian flux and are fine with cams and other mods, cheaper than anywhere else for me.
Havent really noticed any difference in mpg at all tbh.
I spent £749 all in for remap and cam package with engine dynamics in essex so a budget of £1500 is more than reasonable.
Virtually any cam that will increase your bhp will increase your 0-60.
I think catcam's 438 cam is your best choice increases everywhere from 2250 revs up (increases may be slightly higher up the rev range if you have a 172 with 4-1 manifold). K-tec and sideways danny were doing packages i think

Thankyou very much for this, it has helped lots!
I think I will go with K TEC'S performance camshaft package as it's the 438 profiles, also I think they can increase your rev limit which sounds good to me, it's £1200 all in, I would be prepared to pay that however if there is literally the same thing for less £££ I would go for it. Does the ktec one seem sound to you? Or would you advise otherwise? Thanks again , Aydon

 

[Fred@BTM]

There's loads of companies offering cams (fitted) i suppose it depends where you live etc as to who you choose!

 

[06hirons]

There's loads of companies offering cams (fitted) i suppose it depends where you live etc as to who you choose!

Fred, do you do a package or have any personal recommendations?

 

[Aydon182]

There's loads of companies offering cams (fitted) i suppose it depends where you live etc as to who you choose!

I wouldn't mind coming to you actually, do you supply and fit the 438 profiled cams? And would you agree from what I've said that the 438's are best for me? I don't mind travelling for a well rep'd company so I know I'm getting a proper job and a good remap afterwards

 

[Aydon182]

Another question, what is the idle like on the 438 cams?

 

[Fred@BTM]

438's are (from what i've been told) just 421's with the exhaust cam moved by 5degrees, well something along those lines anyway

I also believe they're exlcusive to k-tec as they did the donkey work, so in short, no i don't sell them!

never had an issue with 428's, although everyone else seems to think they don't make decent enough power which i disagree with! All the 428 cars i've done have cracked (just) 190bhp on the stock inlet and a the ITB'd cars have cracked 210bhp

*someone will insert some comment about midrange yada yada yada, its not all about peak yada yada yada*

Schricks are my personal choice, but they're mega money
Engine dynamics have some available cheap (made by Kent)- don't know results
C&B work well
Cat - again fine
Piper riverdance - make good power, but they can be noisy, but cheap to have them done


do you REALLY want cams? Its not going to melt tarmac with them TBH

 

[Aydon182]

438's are (from what i've been told) just 421's with the exhaust cam moved by 5degrees, well something along those lines anyway

I also believe they're exlcusive to k-tec as they did the donkey work, so in short, no i don't sell them!

never had an issue with 428's, although everyone else seems to think they don't make decent enough power which i disagree with! All the 428 cars i've done have cracked (just) 190bhp on the stock inlet and a the ITB'd cars have cracked 210bhp

*someone will insert some comment about midrange yada yada yada, its not all about peak yada yada yada*

Schricks are my personal choice, but they're mega money
Engine dynamics have some available cheap (made by Kent)- don't know results
C&B work well
Cat - again fine
Piper riverdance - make good power, but they can be noisy, but cheap to have them done


do you REALLY want cams? Its not going to melt tarmac with them TBH

Well I'm not really about to shell out near enough £3k for Itbs neither supercharger or turbo tbh. So cams seem like my only choice with a small but noticeable power increase, and I'll be needing a new cambelt soon anyway and also cams seem that they don't affect MPG and also a remap which I want so yes cams are very appealing to me. Also I'm sure resale wont be such a loss if I do choose to sell it in a couple of years

 

[Fred@BTM]

I've always found the statement about cams not affecting MPG a bit of a weird one

where does the extra power come from?

More air + more fuel = more power - but the mpg stays the same? hum

 

[Dan519]

we supply 438's too. They're worlds apart from 428s. There's a bit more to them than just advancing the exhaust cam, but that's the biggest change from 421's

Very good feedback so far too. Only cams i'd fit on a stock inlet now. Shricks are good, admittedly, but not better by the price difference.


We would only ever fit cams with a full cambelt kit, and most times a full aux belt kit too unless recently changed.

 

[JackD]

Wait for RS2's to be produced again? Think they start from about £1500ish and AFAIK will produce better gains than a cam package.

 

[Aydon182]

I've always found the statement about cams not affecting MPG a bit of a weird one

where does the extra power come from?

More air + more fuel = more power - but the mpg stays the same? hum

Surely they won't affect it as hard as the other options anyhow? Itbs as stated by one of the members knock it down to 20-25mpg driving sensibly, fk that. As long as I can still return 30+ mpg it seems like the best mod for me

 

[Dan519]

mpg will be little different with "normal driving". that goes for ITB's too

once you start to use the extra power, you will also need some extra fuel

 

[Aydon182]

we supply 438's too. They're worlds apart from 428s. There's a bit more to them than just advancing the exhaust cam, but that's the biggest change from 421's

Very good feedback so far too. Only cams i'd fit on a stock inlet now. Shricks are good, admittedly, but not better by the price difference.


We would only ever fit cams with a full cambelt kit, and most times a full aux belt kit too unless recently changed.

what's your price fully fitted and mapped? And what's the idle like on 438's? Thanks.

 

[Dan519]

Price is in traders section. You'll have to pay for membership to see that

 

[Gray]

Surely they won't affect it as hard as the other options anyhow? Itbs as stated by one of the members knock it down to 20-25mpg driving sensibly, fk that.
As long as I can still return 30+ mpg it seems like the best mod for me

I think you would be better off with a diesel?

 

[theduck]

A properly done ITB setup should not see a drop in MPG under normal driving conditions. Comments on MPG should always be taken with a pinch of salt though imo as it all comes down to the driver/car/conditions and of cause with modified cars the map, and there are some shonky mappers out there!

 

[Andyman]

Im running 428's and used to run Pipers and the Pipers are far far better low down. Pull in any gear at crazy low rpm. 428's are a lot higher up the rev range compared

 

[Aydon182]

Price is in traders section. You'll have to pay for membership to see that

Where abouts are you based?

Also can anyone with fitted 438 profiled cams let me know what the idle is like? Thanks

 

[Dan519]

the idle is perfectly smooth. Our website is in our profile

You really would benefit from just paying for membership

 

[Aydon182]

the idle is perfectly smooth. Our website is in our profile

You really would benefit from just paying for membership

I will be a member soon

 

[Goodj]

I spent £749 all in for remap and cam package with engine dynamics in essex so a budget of £1500 is more than reasonable.

That's less than I paid just to get my cambelt done last time!

 

[jjones82]

That's less than I paid just to get my cambelt done last time!

That was only with a new cam belt not the whole kit as i had the dealers do the pulleys/ belts when i bought it 2nd hand so the pulleys were only around 6 months old.
Still great deal i thought!

 

[Goodj]

how much would the rest have cost then? vague ballpark figure

 

[jjones82]

Not 100% sure as had it done a while ago but i've got 950 in my head for some reason with new pulleys etc.

 

[Budgie]

Sounds about right if you base a full cam belt kit & aux belt kit being £450-500 from most specialists.

 

[Goodj]

it's a thought for the next belt change then

 

[at3k-]

I've recently had the 438's fitted by Danny, idle is smooth couldn't even tell a difference
oh and there is more low end pull, but the majority of it is about 4000rpm onwards, keeps pulling from then on.