can a V6 drift ?

[Phill1978]

ive seen the vids of it on topgear when its large ammount of grip exceeds its a "surrender monkey" ive also seen that R5 turbo vs v6 french review on track and i noticed on one corner not a particulary fast one it 360`s and stops.

ive always wondered, just how good is the v6 at corners.

can it actually drift i.e is the balance there to slide and correct around a roundabout like a vx or elise or more simular weight car like an S2000, boxster, z3, z4, mx-5 even ?
it is rwd and has a simular weighting bias to an old porsche "widow maker" but they still seemed to be able to in skilled hands

btw no comments about 172/182 handling.

and experience or videos to prove its possible are welcome

 

[al]

I remember watching the vid of the R5 & V6.

Would have thought that the vee had too shorter wheelbase to handle in a "drift" fassion.

 

[Saner]

clarkie has got his to do some nice drifting at teh airfield days but not sure how they would perform overall

 

[Meek_racing]

My V6 RC Car drifts

But that was until It ran into a kerb and bend the chassis

 

[Fred@BTM]

you have to be very quick to catch the backend, its very very hard to hold the back end out and staighten it up on the power

 

[_Tom]

I should imagen its much as the case of the MR2 Turbo. Very hard due to the weight over the back wheels and setup.

 

[Jaffa182]

That vee looks p**n side ways lol

 

[Phill1978]

if you were to lighten the back end would it make it easier or is it the wheel base ?

 

[Alex_225]

Just from what I've seen of them I'd imagine that the reason they let go in a huge fashion is due to the massive levels of grip which by the time you break that grip you're really pushing it. Then when it finally slips, it lets go and is hard to correct.

Stuff like a 200SX for example is really easy to get sideways and control due the fact that it breaks traction traction at the back so much easier.

Just my thoughts though.

 

[Fred@BTM]

i would say its impossible to remove any weight out of the rear

i might try it with the rear tyres at 40psi and see how it goes

short wheelbase with 1/2ton behind you is the problem LOL

 

[Dash]

You could put the engine in the front.

Oh wait.

 

[jph172]

That vee looks p**n side ways lol

Yes id say.
Wayne&Kathys car looks very different all stickered up

 

[MarkCup]

I'll make sure I film Alex at the next Airfield sprint in his, he was barely ever pointing forwards.

 

[Christopher]

nice pics fred

 

[ukaskew]

I'll make sure I film Alex at the next Airfield sprint in his, he was barely ever pointing forwards.

Alex...not pointing forwards...

 

[Paddy_g46]

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i just felt like asking that

 

[specialK]

That vee looks p**n side ways lol

Yes id say.
Wayne&Kathys car looks very different all stickered up

hmmmmm ...... :quiet:

 

[jayxx83]

Just from what I've seen of them I'd imagine that the reason they let go in a huge fashion is due to the massive levels of grip which by the time you break that grip you're really pushing it. Then when it finally slips, it lets go and is hard to correct.

Stuff like a 200SX for example is really easy to get sideways and control due the fact that it breaks traction traction at the back so much easier.

Just my thoughts though.

I think the wheel base would be too short and too much weight over rear as already said. I guess a lack of lsd would make it harder as well.

 

[BREMBO]

That vee looks p**n side ways lol

I second that

 

[Alex_gregory_uk]

It is possible, just very hard to guage when it's going to go, then when it does you have to be very quick to stop it from spinning. Theres a hell of a lot of grip at the back of them with the engine over the wheels, and just not quite enough power to spin the wheels easily enough for a good drift.

I have some pictures somewhere of me drifting one, I'll try and hunt them out for you.

 

[Englebert]

Not easy, but if it had a decent LSD you could. Basically you just need a lot of skill, because a mid-engined car has that point of no return. A normal front engined RWD with a normal wheelbase is catchable from a very big angle. Mid engined cars also have relatively small front tyres compared to rears too, so a lot of rear end grip which for drifting you don't really need, and makes it snappier at the limit.

A lot easier in the wet...

 

[Fred@BTM]

i'm going on that day you went on rob

 

[Englebert]

You should mate, it's a ball. I'll be back there.

 

[Fred@BTM]

but i'm not paying full price, it turns out my mates dad is the boss there! woo!

 

[Englebert]

I get daddy to pay for everything though...

The skid pan is very frustrating, here is a vid of an instructor trying in a stiff Elise...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JNdo1FmMsA

 

[Englebert]

Vid of same Elise on the special Subaru circuit thingy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrwVUmP8o90

 

[Phill1978]

Not easy, but if it had a decent LSD you could. Basically you just need a lot of skill,

so the V6 has been out since near year 2000 and im sure there is a diff out

shame there probably isnt.

just im thinking of selling the monster quick but refined 225 and going 197 and v6 as one car for fun and one for commuting although im convinced a clio 197 DCI will arrive and be the perfect answer for the commuter.

 

[BenR]

Put simply..............no, it will not drift.

There simply isnt enough lock to hold any decent angle for a real drift.

Sure you you trail brake into a corner, you can do overspeed induced slight drift, and power oversteer, but there simply isnt enough lock to hold a balanced drift.

A top drifting mate of mine had a go in a MK2 and simply said its one of the worst handling cars he's ever driven.

 

[BenR]

you have to be very quick to catch the backend, its very very hard to hold the back end out and staighten it up on the power

Steve had more angle than you!

 

[Fred@BTM]

steve is a pro driver, i am not!

meggerman, yes there is a diff out for it

 

[BenR]

http://www.renaultsport.co.uk/roadcars/heritage/cliov6/video.asp

 

[Paul_P1]

I thought Ragnoitti(Sp?) entered a UK drift competition a few years a go in V6, I think they covered it in EVO.

 

[BenR]

I've not heard of it.

Its a crap car to drift, zero lock means zero angle, and zero angle means no balance point.

 

[RichMcc]

Stop watching tokyo drift and buy a S14 lol

 

[Peperami]

I should imagen its much as the case of the MR2 Turbo. Very hard due to the weight over the back wheels and setup.

Aye spot on mate. too snappy to hold a controlled drift in.

Meggerman - if you're after a second car to mess about in, why not buy a cheap s13 and fit a 2 way diff?

 

[R-Sport.]

V6 drift well into fences & hedges thats about it-

S

 

[kriss]

pretty cool video there. very good driver too to hold it so well for so long, but its hardly arse out action!!!!!!!! lol

 

[Ex-User (19928)]

I get daddy to pay for everything though...

The skid pan is very frustrating, here is a vid of an instructor trying in a stiff Elise...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JNdo1FmMsA

Yawn ??

You can't see anything on the small video!

 

[Phill1978]

pretty cool video there. very good driver too to hold it so well for so long, but its hardly arse out action!!!!!!!! lol

agree.

S14 sounds like a good idea i do like the way they look.

am i right in saying the clio 197 can drift better than the V6 but its FWD ?!

 

[Ex-User (19928)]

pretty cool video there. very good driver too to hold it so well for so long, but its hardly arse out action!!!!!!!! lol

agree.

S14 sounds like a good idea i do like the way they look.

am i right in saying the clio 197 can drift better than the V6 but its FWD ?!

FWD cars do not drift, and as Ben points out, to drift you need a lot of opposite lock, and according to top gear, the V6 has the turning circle of a battleship.

It also has massive PilotSports on the back, not really drift friendly.