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do a search my friend.. been discussed loads..
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CS Dungeon
Speak to Andy at www.greydevilindustries.com
BMW M4; S1000 RR
You should get approximately a 10% increase in power, mapping is well worth it even on NA cars like yours.
Should cost about £300. I strongly recommend superchips.co.uk. They have worked magic with my 1 series, and will take the DCI there soon.
Should cost about £300. I strongly recommend superchips.co.uk. They have worked magic with my 1 series, and will take the DCI there soon.
len_beach
ClioSport Club Member
E92 M3,172 track car
You wont get anything like 10% unfortunately. Pmurray did mine and I got 5bhp and 12 lb/ft. The drivability is much improved though so it is still well worth it.
The F4R is notoriously difficult to get power out of and that applies to mapping/chipping as well.
The F4R is notoriously difficult to get power out of and that applies to mapping/chipping as well.
len_beach
ClioSport Club Member
E92 M3,172 track car
It does mate. The graph can be seen here.http://cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=99069&highlight=172+12Neil G said:12lb/ft is a good gain....bet that makes a difference in drivability
Nice and low down the curve as well so all the more useful.
Ben
BMW M4; S1000 RR
len_beach
ClioSport Club Member
E92 M3,172 track car
But 9hp is not 10% of 169hp is it?
I'm not doubting the figures they achieved, even though they are not unbiased nor are they independent.
The point I was trying to make was that no one should be under any illusion that a 172/182 will see TDI like increases in power just from a remap.
I'm not doubting the figures they achieved, even though they are not unbiased nor are they independent.
The point I was trying to make was that no one should be under any illusion that a 172/182 will see TDI like increases in power just from a remap.
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BMW M4; S1000 RR
edde have you ever taken a RS172 to superchips ?? If not then how can you comment on their accuracy. I have never taken a petrol car to be mapped, but their diesel website figures are modest to say the least.
Anyway, believe what you want, that is a map from a stock Renault Sport 172. When a new car comes out, superchips will offer anyone looking for a map of it a big discount and then test what they feel comfortable mapping the car to. Then they post the dyno graph on their website.
A friend of mine recently got an E90 330d M sport and took it to superchips, they did used his car for the bog standard "everybody" map, and then at his request, mapped it to 320hp and 750nm... That is a fast car. This was a week or so ago, so the standard 260hp (I think) map should be on there soon.
Anyway, believe what you want, that is a map from a stock Renault Sport 172. When a new car comes out, superchips will offer anyone looking for a map of it a big discount and then test what they feel comfortable mapping the car to. Then they post the dyno graph on their website.
A friend of mine recently got an E90 330d M sport and took it to superchips, they did used his car for the bog standard "everybody" map, and then at his request, mapped it to 320hp and 750nm... That is a fast car. This was a week or so ago, so the standard 260hp (I think) map should be on there soon.
I don't belive them as no other mapping compnay have done 9hp top end with just a remap. Ok there will be some freaky engine Chris and Nics for example and maybe Yozzas which might have done as its a strong engines but fe other ever made.cliokhunt said:
Diesels are different they run under fueled as diesel are a different tyrps of engine. As standard most diesel are turbos so 10% more bost plus you can add about 20% extra A/F fueling gives about 30% increase which is about adverage I'd say most engine would get. Some engine are differently fueling cannot be boosted or can be boosted more.
Normally aspirated engine arn't underfueling realy ok theres a bit more but only small. There no more air avaialibel as there no turbo to push the air in so no huge gains can be made.
No other company claims such high gaisn even Murry on heresays about 5~10 depending on mods (since mods usualyl mean more air flow/less restriction to the engine the car can make more power).
All turbo cars get huge gaisn usually with a remap (so long as boost can be turned up etc) disesl are the same even more so as they can take extra fueling normally aspirated petrol well there little potentil gains unless you have a very loose engine or one whith mods since the manurfacturer didn't desing the mapping to have a freer flowing air filter or a freer flowing exhaust etc.
BMW M3
I dont rate the superchip for performance.
I had one on my 182 and it did make it smoother in town and slightly more fuel efficient. Didnt notice any change in power/delivery.
Then after routine warrenty work had been carried out by renault, i thought the car was faster and also noticed that the rev limiter kicked in earlier. So i asked renault and they said they reset the ECU because they noticed it was not stock and thought something was wrong.
So basically i noticed the superchip had been wiped because of the rev limiter and the fact it was faster after it came off.
I would prefer to spend 300 notes on making it faster not slower so i wont be getting another one for the 182.
I am sure however, it might be a different story for the turbo and diesel cars.
I had one on my 182 and it did make it smoother in town and slightly more fuel efficient. Didnt notice any change in power/delivery.
Then after routine warrenty work had been carried out by renault, i thought the car was faster and also noticed that the rev limiter kicked in earlier. So i asked renault and they said they reset the ECU because they noticed it was not stock and thought something was wrong.
So basically i noticed the superchip had been wiped because of the rev limiter and the fact it was faster after it came off.
I would prefer to spend 300 notes on making it faster not slower so i wont be getting another one for the 182.
I am sure however, it might be a different story for the turbo and diesel cars.
Justin182 said:
I had a similar problem. The Renault dealership said they noticed something wrong and that they had "reloaded the cells". In the course of trying to confirm whether that meant they'd overwritten the map that Superchips installed I had to admit to having the ECU re-chipped. Eventually they decided they didn't have the software or the hardware to overwrite the map, just reload the default values that get fine-tuned by feedback from the lambda sensor in the exhaust.
And I got a similar result with a Superchips chip on a 172. There was more obvious driveability improvement at the bottom end than performance improvement at the top end. It largely cured the car of the very very very annoying attribute of stalling when you tried to pull away from the lights unless you picked up exactly the right number of revs before you let out the clutch.
But that said, a 10% improvement in peak hp is hard to detect. After I had the car chipped I went to the local off-the-street drag meeting and did a 17.0 quarter mile straight out of the box, first run, absolutely nothing else done to the car. Now especially considering I'm a heavyweight, and all the magazine reviews of 172s I've seen did quarter mile times of 17.3 to 17.5, a 17.0 time is consistent with something at least approaching a 10% power increase.
BMW 330d :)
I got 15 sec on my completely std cup 172 with knackered tyres. How heavy are u? Im 14 stone and 6ft 6
BMW M4; S1000 RR
It's all very well saying you don't believe it's true, and I'm not vouching for them as I can't back it up either, obviously every car will have ever so slightly different attributes, but unless someone does recorded tests before and after a superchip, you really cannot say anything for sure.
And yes, the top end power won't do dramatic things to an NA car, simply because a small increase in power and torque will not reduce acceleration times dramatically, nor will they send you to the back of your seat, however, if it improves driveability, mpg along with that little bit of power, I'd say that's a pretty good investment.
And yes obviously the turbo cars benefit more, as they have the turbo in the equation that acts as a variable multiplyer, which will then increase those previously small gains, to larger gains, which will create a very prominent power increase, for instance, their quote for the DCI 80 is to develop more torque than the previous max (about 190nm@2300rpm) over 50% of the RPM range, with a max torque of 230nm@2300rpm.
As you pointed out, you could never see such an increase in power on a RS, unless you tuned it beyond the things that make it Renault. And although I wouldn't go for mapping with anything other than turbo diesel, many people do, whether it's for fine tuning any modifications they have made themselves, or as one person stated, getting rid of annoying little habits like stalling at low revs.
And yes, the top end power won't do dramatic things to an NA car, simply because a small increase in power and torque will not reduce acceleration times dramatically, nor will they send you to the back of your seat, however, if it improves driveability, mpg along with that little bit of power, I'd say that's a pretty good investment.
And yes obviously the turbo cars benefit more, as they have the turbo in the equation that acts as a variable multiplyer, which will then increase those previously small gains, to larger gains, which will create a very prominent power increase, for instance, their quote for the DCI 80 is to develop more torque than the previous max (about 190nm@2300rpm) over 50% of the RPM range, with a max torque of 230nm@2300rpm.
As you pointed out, you could never see such an increase in power on a RS, unless you tuned it beyond the things that make it Renault. And although I wouldn't go for mapping with anything other than turbo diesel, many people do, whether it's for fine tuning any modifications they have made themselves, or as one person stated, getting rid of annoying little habits like stalling at low revs.
The superchips re-map is a decent solution for an owner who has a standard car, and doesnt want any warranty implications from a cut in piggy back or fettled ecu such as the r-sport.
Superchips do know what they are talking about and their remap for the 172 does give good results but it isnt 10bhp on a standard car as edde says and i know the f4r is hard to get power out of kinda like a hooker at the end of her shift
Superchips do know what they are talking about and their remap for the 172 does give good results but it isnt 10bhp on a standard car as edde says and i know the f4r is hard to get power out of kinda like a hooker at the end of her shift
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