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Revels Mum & Sister
I am all for that IMO he doesnt want to do that. hence changing his mind every 5 minutes and having no clue about what it is he would have to do to acheive a high wage. He bases it all on pub chat and my mate says so and so is earning X amount. Its bullshit.
You can indeed acheive anything but someone who nicks from Morrisions and changes his career path when his mate says he can earn 30K for doing f**k all it is obvious he isnt interested he just wants the cash monies
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cheers
. i wanna go to college while working part time as i have been doing. Im not really sure how to go about getting experience or small jobs but i guess i will find out.i was expecting the s**t from revels and rasclart, i didnt expect anything more form them, stating the obvious and having a dig as usual, but i guess when you go for months on end without having sex you get like that.
Im in all kinda of minds about what to do right now. Thats why im asking, i was hoping someone could give me some first hand advice and information about jobs mainly, obviously some are good enough to do that.
Obviously im not guna jump into the deep end, no one does unless they are lucky.
Thanks for the info and help to those who have actually helped me. Much apreciated.
Revels Mum & Sister
cheers
i was expecting the s**t from revels and rasclart, i didnt expect anything more form them, stating the obvious and having a dig as usual, but i guess when you go for months on end without having sex you get like that.
Im in all kinda of minds about what to do right now. Thats why im asking, i was hoping someone could give me some first hand advice and information about jobs mainly, obviously some are good enough to do that.
Obviously im not guna jump into the deep end, no one does unless they are lucky.
Thanks for the info and help to those who have actually helped me. Much apreciated.
LOL see the comment about the lack of sex sums you all up, an immature adolescent, I live with my fiance so dont tend to go months on end without it not that it would matter. I am not having a go merely stating my VIEW, I am entitled to that and am going on your past ramblings.
You remind me of MOFO at least he wasnt a cnut
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cheers
i was expecting the s**t from revels and rasclart, i didnt expect anything more form them, stating the obvious and having a dig as usual, but i guess when you go for months on end without having sex you get like that.
Im in all kinda of minds about what to do right now. Thats why im asking, i was hoping someone could give me some first hand advice and information about jobs mainly, obviously some are good enough to do that.
Obviously im not guna jump into the deep end, no one does unless they are lucky.
Thanks for the info and help to those who have actually helped me. Much apreciated.
LOL see the comment about the lack of sex sums you all up, an immature adolescent, I live with my fiance so dont tend to go months on end without it not that it would matter. I am not having a go merely stating my VIEW, I am entitled to that and am going on your past ramblings.
You remind me of MOFO at least he wasnt a cnut
kk
Clio F1 R27
Right I got you, what a tw-t!
with regards to the OP.......
..ive worked setting up networks from scratch and managing them since i left school, so 3 years.........ranging from 10pcs to the biggest being near 500. Some were working as myself as a contractor so to speak, for small businesses, although some were for a company who specialise in the network setup/configuration field. Ive picked up alot by doing it hands on, and used quite a few of the different network technologies out there today......The company i most recently worked for were going to pay for me to do my cisco this year, but before the new year they went out of business! something wierd going on if you ask me.....so i was out of a job.........
since then ive realised i cant be bothered with IT, it seems so overcrowded and IMO you have to 'know the right people' to get you're foot in a 'good' door so to speak, otherwise you'll be climbing up the ladder slowly....i was on shat money for 2 years, especially for the time and the work I was doing tbh..............
ive been trying to find a job in something different since, as i said i cant be bothered with the computing/IT field anymore........i even did computer networks technology at college....but im finding it hard seeing as all my qualifications and experience are in IT!
id say if you wanted to do cisco, work for a company and see if they will fund your exams aswell as working for them, quite a few people i know have had this done these days!
..ive worked setting up networks from scratch and managing them since i left school, so 3 years.........ranging from 10pcs to the biggest being near 500. Some were working as myself as a contractor so to speak, for small businesses, although some were for a company who specialise in the network setup/configuration field. Ive picked up alot by doing it hands on, and used quite a few of the different network technologies out there today......The company i most recently worked for were going to pay for me to do my cisco this year, but before the new year they went out of business! something wierd going on if you ask me.....so i was out of a job.........
since then ive realised i cant be bothered with IT, it seems so overcrowded and IMO you have to 'know the right people' to get you're foot in a 'good' door so to speak, otherwise you'll be climbing up the ladder slowly....i was on shat money for 2 years, especially for the time and the work I was doing tbh..............
ive been trying to find a job in something different since, as i said i cant be bothered with the computing/IT field anymore........i even did computer networks technology at college....but im finding it hard seeing as all my qualifications and experience are in IT!
id say if you wanted to do cisco, work for a company and see if they will fund your exams aswell as working for them, quite a few people i know have had this done these days!
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Ive now finished the CCNA (Passed my practical yesterday), went to college to do it as you know, but it was bundled with some other poxy crap like customer support work and maintenance (All relativly useless). Im now going to revise my ass off and go fail the CCNA Final exam. Im then going on at college for another 3 years, doing a degree in network management, 2 microshaft units which im not looking forward to (Server 03 and Desktop), the CCNA Security, and the CCNP. I will be doing this while working for a company doing work experience as part of my degree (not sure which yet but there are a few choices).
Thanks for all the advice, especially from Revels. I really did have my head up my ass, and in the past year ive realised whats involved with all this, and more importantly what i can hope to earn. (Hey thats if i can actually get a job).
Thanks for all the advice, especially from Revels. I really did have my head up my ass, and in the past year ive realised whats involved with all this, and more importantly what i can hope to earn. (Hey thats if i can actually get a job).
185lb/ft dCi
How long do you think it would take to complete the whole ccna, as i'm currently doing an ethical hacking & network security degree (3rd year in sept) and I guess some cisco certs are going to be handy. I'm not sure whether I'd wanna do the 1 part exam or the 2 part exams. I know quite abit about networking and have used cisco equipment but its just things like RIP, OSPF etc that I would have to read up on.
Could you sum up what is in each chapter and how long they are? I would appreciate it alot!
Good luck with your exam and the future, seems you have found a career path now!
Could you sum up what is in each chapter and how long they are? I would appreciate it alot!
Good luck with your exam and the future, seems you have found a career path now!
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Youll need to know more than just rip and ospf lol, lot of the main (but now legacy) protocols, Rip 1 and 2, OSPF, EIGRP, Frame relay, PPP, VTP, STP etc, then theres acess control lists, NAT, DHCP (on routers), to mention a few. I hope your very confident with ip addressing and subnetting (VLSM especially, there are a number of questions which require you to work out which subnet an ip address belongs to etc) - im not and i need to start revising it yet again. The CCNA is a nasty nasty exam, a lot of network troubleshooting and configuration to do in the exam. People do manage to do the ccna on a fast pass course, dont know how, as i personally think that it takes a while to digest all the s**t.
Here are all 4 cisco books:
Chapters are generally 60 - 100 pages long, takes a good 4-5 hours for me to digest 1 and get the info you need from them for the chapter exams. I knew nothing about networking when i started, and to be fair, ive forgotten a lot from the first 2 semesters.
A chapter will generally give you an introduction to say ospf, how it works and its concepts, how to configure it, how to troubleshoot it. LOADS more stuff involved though lol.
There are alot of practical simulations available using a program called packet tracer, i had access to hardware at college (2960's and 2600's) and i did most of mine on the hardware, also gave me a chance to see what problems i might encounter which packet tracer could not, like a damaged cable or broken switch port.
Here are all 4 cisco books:
Chapters are generally 60 - 100 pages long, takes a good 4-5 hours for me to digest 1 and get the info you need from them for the chapter exams. I knew nothing about networking when i started, and to be fair, ive forgotten a lot from the first 2 semesters.
A chapter will generally give you an introduction to say ospf, how it works and its concepts, how to configure it, how to troubleshoot it. LOADS more stuff involved though lol.
There are alot of practical simulations available using a program called packet tracer, i had access to hardware at college (2960's and 2600's) and i did most of mine on the hardware, also gave me a chance to see what problems i might encounter which packet tracer could not, like a damaged cable or broken switch port.
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Right its taken me 1 hour to learn subnetting again using a CBT Nugget !!!
185lb/ft dCi
Yeah I know most of ip addressing, subnetting, dhcp and all that, it was just the things that are cisco specific that I won't know. I just wanted to get a general idea of how many topics it covers as I know cisco can word things badly and drag things out. I'm going to be helping my mate pass his sem3 as he failed it a few weeks ago so that will give me some help and an idea of how the rest is. The best bet is probably to just get start reading some chapters and see how I find it. I'm downloading packet tracer now although I have used the cisco routers at uni and have had to troubleshoot the routers and things like broken cables and ports like you say.
Thanks for the info
p.s i hate subnetting as well, I just have to sit myself down and take one bit at a time with it, i wouldnt stand a chance rushing it
Thanks for the info
p.s i hate subnetting as well, I just have to sit myself down and take one bit at a time with it, i wouldnt stand a chance rushing it
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Big style mate ^^
Another good one to use is GNS3, although its still s**t and wont work on vista, and does not support switch configuration. It runs from the cisco IOS files, so unless you have them you wont be using it lol.
The problem was actually reverse engineering, there are many questions in there where itll say something like to which subnet does 172.16.10.65 belong to or something similar. I sugest you read through the full lot if your going to do it, because there might be a few things to pick up on what you already know.
BMW F21 125d
I've worked for a Network providor/ISP for 7 years now, I started on a helpdesk and now I am a Senior Networks Engineer. We are a big market player and have a huge worldwide IP network. However, I havent got my CCNA, I've done alot of study towards it and will complete it one day, because my job is safe in todays un-certain climate I have no reason to leave, it's always been on the back burner for me.
Audi TT Stronic
Ye I read your earlier post about Sem 4, but am actually looking forward to it strangely :S. I actually found VLSM interesting although I really hate Hexidecimal, without a calculator that really does my head in lol !
You got any plans post CCNA ? anymore training ? I still don't know where i'm going to go after the CCNA. Its all paid for through work.. but I reckon I might get pushed onto a Lotus Domino course as our 10 year notes developer is leaving
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Well i was origionally going to find a job or do the CCNP at college, the origional offer they had was a 2 year foundation degree in networking, which only included the CCNP. I only wanted the CCNP.
Fortunately the CCNP instructor leaves in 3 weeks and so the Course leader, who is a CCIE and has been doing networking (In the field for many many years), has had to re write the whole course and alter the structure.
Im now doing a 3 year Degree in Network Management, and i will be doing that over the course of 3 years, also, in my first year, i will be doing 2 microsoft units (Desktop and Server), the second year i will be doing the CCNA Security and 1 CCNP unit, and the remaining 3 units i will complete in the 3rd year. Im also going to be doing work experience as part of the degree.
I found Semester 4 the hardest by far in fact i really struggled with it, Lan Switching was a piece of piss.
Fortunately the CCNP instructor leaves in 3 weeks and so the Course leader, who is a CCIE and has been doing networking (In the field for many many years), has had to re write the whole course and alter the structure.
Im now doing a 3 year Degree in Network Management, and i will be doing that over the course of 3 years, also, in my first year, i will be doing 2 microsoft units (Desktop and Server), the second year i will be doing the CCNA Security and 1 CCNP unit, and the remaining 3 units i will complete in the 3rd year. Im also going to be doing work experience as part of the degree.
I found Semester 4 the hardest by far in fact i really struggled with it, Lan Switching was a piece of piss.
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^ having 7 years working in networking experience and being a Senior Network Engineer is going to count for a lot more than a CCNA TBH, but it can't hurt to have it
Exactly, i figure i may as well get the qualifications now while im still a young lad.
Oh and what i do after this is down to whether or not the people im working for decide to take me on.
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dCi 65 + C2 (<Sold)
Got offered a free CCNA by some dude at a Uni that wanted to get his numbers up. It was all online, all the material.
There was just so much, and the class I'm doing at college (HNC Computing) just tip-toed over networking, so I had pretty much very, VERY basic knowledge. Without hands-on experience doing networking in a working or learning enviroment I'd say it's pretty much impossible to pass it on reading alone. In the end I never bothered to take it, as passing the HNC coursework was obviously priority.
Good luck though, Michael. Unfortunately on websites I have checked most jobs much prefer plenty of experience in a working enviroment rather than qualifications.
There was just so much, and the class I'm doing at college (HNC Computing) just tip-toed over networking, so I had pretty much very, VERY basic knowledge. Without hands-on experience doing networking in a working or learning enviroment I'd say it's pretty much impossible to pass it on reading alone. In the end I never bothered to take it, as passing the HNC coursework was obviously priority.
Good luck though, Michael. Unfortunately on websites I have checked most jobs much prefer plenty of experience in a working enviroment rather than qualifications.
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Very true. And those jobs were for how much ?
There are network emulators available but like i mentioned before, it doesnt give the same problems as hardware would. We had 30 people in the class at the begining of the year. There are 5 now.
dCi 65 + C2 (<Sold)
How much money?
Yeah totally agree. I'd love to do networking, I found it really interesting but ultimately chose HNC Computing because I didn't have the right attitude at the start of the year. Something I've ultimately come to regret.
Yeah totally agree. I'd love to do networking, I found it really interesting but ultimately chose HNC Computing because I didn't have the right attitude at the start of the year. Something I've ultimately come to regret.
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Ive learned a lot from it, and ive still got a lot more to learn !! A lot of the protocols you learn about in CCNA are legacy now.
Yeah they all want experience, but the decent paid jobs give a massive wish list out, 7 years experience, cirtix, voice and it goes on.
Yeah they all want experience, but the decent paid jobs give a massive wish list out, 7 years experience, cirtix, voice and it goes on.
dCi 65 + C2 (<Sold)
I wouldn't mind starting at the bottom with all those qualifications you listed and having no experience. If you know what you're doing, chances are you're going to move very quickly up the ladder anyway. That's what I intended to do in support until I found out the Microsoft Desktop Support exams cost £90...haha. Having 4 years experience in a help desk call centre, should be at level 4 that may get me into a well paid support job.
Are you still applying for those well paid jobs? If they can't find anybody with the necessary experience then the next best thing is someone who is qualified oot his nut!
Are you still applying for those well paid jobs? If they can't find anybody with the necessary experience then the next best thing is someone who is qualified oot his nut!
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No god no, i wont be getting a job for another 3 years and it wont be for one of those well paid jobs lol, i dont know what im doing yet. I only know stuff about networking, its pretty basic stuff when you look at the CCNA, im really after that degree now, because i know how much its worth having.
My CCNA exam is £115 per resit. Im still to sit my final though. Got mega tons of revision to do yet and i wont pass it first time round, instead itll give me a good kick up the arse and make me realise just how much revision ill need to do.
I think the CCNA is a good starting place if you know nothing about networking, its not easy when you first do it. There are probably a lot of CCNP's and CCIE's reading this laughing at me right now but then i wonder how they found it when they first did it.
My CCNA exam is £115 per resit. Im still to sit my final though. Got mega tons of revision to do yet and i wont pass it first time round, instead itll give me a good kick up the arse and make me realise just how much revision ill need to do.
I think the CCNA is a good starting place if you know nothing about networking, its not easy when you first do it. There are probably a lot of CCNP's and CCIE's reading this laughing at me right now but then i wonder how they found it when they first did it.
dCi 65 + C2 (<Sold)
Lol ah right, cool.
Just stick at it mate, sure you'll do well.
It definitely is a great starting place, you just have to be FULLY comitted to it, I found. There's no way I could have showed it the level of committment needed with all my other shizzle. Such a shame too because it was free! Gutted! When I leave college tomorrow and get any job I'm gonna look into the CCNA and the MCDST again because I'll be able to give them my full attention. I've already got the books on the MCDST as well. Learning outwith work gives you a sense that you're going to achieve something better than what you're already doing. Tis good. Lol.
Just stick at it mate, sure you'll do well.
It definitely is a great starting place, you just have to be FULLY comitted to it, I found. There's no way I could have showed it the level of committment needed with all my other shizzle. Such a shame too because it was free! Gutted! When I leave college tomorrow and get any job I'm gonna look into the CCNA and the MCDST again because I'll be able to give them my full attention. I've already got the books on the MCDST as well. Learning outwith work gives you a sense that you're going to achieve something better than what you're already doing. Tis good. Lol.
mine was £140
but i took the retired exam as i was taught under the older curriculum (ISDN FTL) so that might be why lol
i'm doing CCNP: BSCI at the moment and i can't get enough of the Cisco stuff, love it
only bad thing is comapny's want people with experience but aren't willing to give people chance to prove themselves
i'd like to do some Microsoft qualifications after the CCNP
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Yeah i cant wait to start it ive had a look at some of the stuff and its quite in depth. We did a bit about ISDN i mean what the hell for i dont know. There was some wireless too, the 640-802 is ment to be harder than 801 also.
