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Does a car have to be a fresh idea/original concept to become a classic?
If so, in the case of hot hatches, the only classic can be the Mk1 Golf GTI. The rest are just evolutions of that concept.
Not sure if the Trophy is a future classic or not. I guess it has laid down a real benchmark, like the Williams did.
Clio 172 mk2
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V6 will be a classic for sure....rare as fook even now and a real extravangant motor car
Agree with you to some extant Baldylocks...the Golf was the first of it's 'breed' I suppose which does set it apart froma lot of other classics.
I would be interested to read about the condtruction of the V6, particularly around the rear arches. Do they have a special pressing for the rear quarter bodyside, with the wheel arch missing so they can glue on the plastic rear quarter? Does it retain the inner wheel house of the cooking bodyshell etc?
Do any of you V6 geeks have any info or links?
Do any of you V6 geeks have any info or links?
SteveV6.... Hmmmm tough one.
He drives ph2 Clio V6 iirc. And I was talking about the ph1 Clio V6. I drove a ph1 and made my own opinion. Which was what I posted.
Now climb out of his arse. lol
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Yeah granted. Can you imagine anyone restoring a Trophy though in 20 years? Perhaps, perhaps not. Good discussion though
There wont be any fuel to power the Trophy engine in 20 years time, or any other petrol/diesel powered car.
I think they days of classics are long gone.
2.0 stroked and bored engine and a complet suspension redesign with new body shell.Wasnt the Willams just a slightly different valver with gold wheels? At least the Trophy was truly a limited edition, unlike the Williams
Its basically a normal Clio shell (all Mk2 shells are the same realy phase 1/2 are different but nothing much) they modified it thought to fit the V6. The basic shell has a different part number due to the way the rear arches are made but you can modify a normal Clio shell to be used.
Personaly a Classic is a car which was built by engineers not acountants which doen't happen these day.
The Trophy will be a classic with the Cup but only since at the time the real Williams etc will be in such short supply that there will be impossible to be collected etc people need something to buy and rebuild any rare car will fit the bill.
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Any decent hot hatch that was at the top of it's game during it's era will be regarded as classic in time. Be it a mint Phase 1 172, 172 Cup or 182 Trophy when they become scarce some one some where will want a specific one down to there tastes. For someone that loves 182's but hates Red will want a last of the line 182 in the colour they do like.
All the 172 and 182 range were there top of there game at the time, as was the Williams, 205 GTi and Mk1 Golf GTi had been. If a car was the pinnacle of it's class at the time a few years from now when hot hatches become even softer people will want to own one.
There is demand now for decent William's models as there was a few years ago for 205 GTi's etc. The same will be true for the 1*2's in time, where as things like the 206 GTi 180 won't get the following for them.
Ford RS's are a different matter as they have an odd fan base that worship anything that comes of of Dagenham be it good or crap as long as it wears and RS badge, I mean the S2 Turbo Escort and Fiesta RS Turbos, they where nothing to get excited about (IMO both dog poo poo) but people love them.
All the 172 and 182 range were there top of there game at the time, as was the Williams, 205 GTi and Mk1 Golf GTi had been. If a car was the pinnacle of it's class at the time a few years from now when hot hatches become even softer people will want to own one.
There is demand now for decent William's models as there was a few years ago for 205 GTi's etc. The same will be true for the 1*2's in time, where as things like the 206 GTi 180 won't get the following for them.
Ford RS's are a different matter as they have an odd fan base that worship anything that comes of of Dagenham be it good or crap as long as it wears and RS badge, I mean the S2 Turbo Escort and Fiesta RS Turbos, they where nothing to get excited about (IMO both dog poo poo) but people love them.
V6 will be a classic without a doubt, imo. In 15-20 years time will they be on display at shows and running as classics in Hill Climbs etc? Absolutely.
Williams is a bit different, a classic for sure but the majority have been used as daily runners and/or modified in some way, so I think good ones will be highly sought after in future. The Vee has an easier life ahead of it imo, mileages are generally kept low and most are 100% standard.
Williams is a bit different, a classic for sure but the majority have been used as daily runners and/or modified in some way, so I think good ones will be highly sought after in future. The Vee has an easier life ahead of it imo, mileages are generally kept low and most are 100% standard.
Martin_172
ClioSport Club Member
look at the first shape mini, everyone had one, they were far from rare, cheap to buy and run and id class a good nick one as a classic these days!
imo yes the clios will become classics. if i was to win the lottery i know id collect hot hatches and buy every single hot hatch that was ever highly rated (5 gtt, 205gti, williams, 172, starlet gtt, focus RS, mk1 golf gti and saxo vts/106gti to name a few!!)
imo yes the clios will become classics. if i was to win the lottery i know id collect hot hatches and buy every single hot hatch that was ever highly rated (5 gtt, 205gti, williams, 172, starlet gtt, focus RS, mk1 golf gti and saxo vts/106gti to name a few!!)
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Chances are someone somewhere will have a standard Williams on either delivery mileage up to maybe 2K tucked away in a garage, Renualt gave them them 3 chances to do it aswell! I know of at least one late non cat 205 GTi sat in a 'bubble' like the above.
Lots of Alfas
The V6mk1 was developed by TWR (They were responisible for the XJ220 and the DB7). They were the ones that hacked away at the bodyshells. Can anyone remember the 3 black Clio V6mk1 prototypes made by TWR?? One of them appeared on ebay a few years ago. I think a lot of the devolopement happened in the UK but dont quote me on that one.
When Renault decided to do a mk2 they got help from Porsche (obviously they know a thing or two about RWD rear engined cars!) to make the handling better. The V6 will be a classic for sure.
When Renault decided to do a mk2 they got help from Porsche (obviously they know a thing or two about RWD rear engined cars!) to make the handling better. The V6 will be a classic for sure.
Wasnt the Willams just a slightly different valver with gold wheels? At least the Trophy was truly a limited edition, unlike the Williams
you need to learn your history.
the williams was built so renault could continue their run of winning rallies.
something they havent done with much aplomb since i might add.
so a limited run of rally homolgomation cars......thatl be the williams then.
the 182 trophy, as good as it is.isnt lol.
Trophy isn't a future classic, it's just 'another' Mk2 Clio with a few upgrades. Compare it to a 182 Cup and you'd be hard pressed to make the difference show on track, compare a Williams and Valver and the difference is huge.
For the Trophy to have been truly special it would need a 2.2 litre engine (or similar), so resulting in more power/torque. It would need to drive radically different, and have that something special about the interior. The Recaro's while nice are generic items that dont identify the car in any way like the Williams seats did/do. Oh... and it's red... come on, wtf, in 10 years time it will be pink
For the Trophy to have been truly special it would need a 2.2 litre engine (or similar), so resulting in more power/torque. It would need to drive radically different, and have that something special about the interior. The Recaro's while nice are generic items that dont identify the car in any way like the Williams seats did/do. Oh... and it's red... come on, wtf, in 10 years time it will be pink
The Williams was a homologation special made to win the French tarmac rally championship and the Trophy is a limited run car.
I've owned both and I wish I could have kept my Williams to run as a weekend car.
MK1 V6 Lutecia / 197
The only future classic of the past 10 years is the original V6 Clio MK1. There has been two books writen about it already...
The Williams and the Turbo and Turbo 2 are also classics.
Everything else like the 172 MK1/MK2 and 182/197 will be long forgotten as they are always replaced with the new kid on the block. That also includes the Megane...
The Williams and the Turbo and Turbo 2 are also classics.
Everything else like the 172 MK1/MK2 and 182/197 will be long forgotten as they are always replaced with the new kid on the block. That also includes the Megane...
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But the Mk2 Vee is said to be a better car, and seems to be the one people desire ?
Totally agree.
