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Clio 16v search



  leon cupra R


jus went to view a M reg 16v clio, williams blue,mileage 83000 sum service history ,car was lowered to the ground with 15inch oz alloys, with a mongoose exurst and viper induction kit. looked the dogs b****cks and sounded mint, put it up for £2500 then droped it to £2100,i wanted it jus by its looks but went for a test drive and for some reason it didnt seem as quick as i thought it wud be considerin its the first time ive been in a 16v, the rev counter hit 3000 rpm so quick but didnt seem that we wer goin fast though, mate told me it shud of been quick as f**k but it wasnt oh well i walked away,

The car is in nxt weeks auto trader cus he missed this weeks one! wot do you think guys did i do the rite thing by walkin away????????? and sud it ov been quick aswell???????
 
  leon cupra R


its the first clio 16v ive been in , going to look at sum more tomoz an saturday so i know now to take it up to about 4500 revs
 
  leon cupra R


have any of you had any problems with 16v clios cus my insurance is abit high and i dont want to start spashin money out really for repairs
 


Sorry? Take it up to 4500rpm? You need to rev it to 7300rpm to get anywhere in a Valver!

Mate, got to warn you that a Clio Valver is not a cheap car to run. You might be lucky and get a peach of a car that never needs more than oil and brake pads, but most will give you at least couple of fairly big bills every year (£500). Dont buy a 16V or Williams for an easy life!

Id print this off if I were you!

Read the 1994 Cars & Car Conversions article on the Williams on the main Cliosport site (under "articles"). That outlines the Group A pedigree of the 16v - and its later homologated special edition: the Williams.



Despite this greatness, they can be expensive and time consuming cars - though not because there are any inherrent faults. Cared for cars will last very well, but those that have been repaired cheaply/not at all will cause problems. Some people buy a 16V, realise they need to be loved and then sell them on with problems.

I bought what looked like a really nice example, with engine mods and leather. Despite a new engine, clutch, brakes and sound bodywork, I spent the best part of my spare time and money over two years replacing practically everything on it.

But they look beautiful (especially with no exterior mods), make possibly the best 4-cylinder production engine induction roar and are damn fast. Oh - and theyre only Group 12 insurance too.

I wouldnt worry too much about high miles if the bils are there - I think these cars wear with age rather than mileage. If you pick up a car for a good price with 100k miles plus, it will probably give you less big bills than a car with 60k. These cars are fairly maintenace-intensive, so, look for a big folder of bills

What you should then be looking for then can be split into categories:

Exterior:

- Rear arch lips are susceptible to rusting, front ones are plastic so arent a problem. Rust also possible on door bottoms, around window rear quarters and boot bottom. Rear arches are now only available as an entire quarter panel - £330 from Renault inc VAT each side - so make for an expensive repair. Other body panels are surprisingly reasonable after a recent price cut.

- Front fogs (£50) are prone to cracking due to stone chips.

- Bonnet and front bumper also prone to stone chips (duh!).

Mechanical:

N.B. due to engine size, many otherwise simple jobs on 16v/Willy are engine-out jobs.

- Cambelts must have been done before 72k (many advise a cambelt change far earlier); fairly big bill in itself and mega bill if it snaps in service.

- Diffs, gbox and clutch are all expensive jobs so check carefully. Jump off the accelerator in 2nd to see if it pops out of gear: if so, then suspect the box or the "dog bone" engine-to-subframe engine mount. Vibration that doesnt go away when steering could mean a thrush bearing in the diff (pretty common).

- Rear brake callipers can seize. New rear discs also necessitate new wheel bearings.

- Check aftermarket exhaust mountings - often a poor fit; rumbling under load can be caused by poor exhaust manifold to downpipe gasket (cheap job, disturbing noise).

- Erratic idle commonly due to faulty throttle potentionometer or idle speed control valve (respectively a specialist job and a straight swap).

- 16v/Willy run hot, so check coolant system - hoses, rad, expansion tank, water pump, anti-percolation (if you can). Radweld works wonders with minor radiator leaks, but can block the system.

- Engine mounts often go - embarassing and expensive to have your engine fall out, so see if engine rocks back and forth by opening bonnet and pulling accelerator cable with engine running.

- If car has induction kit check security of air hoses - can explain erratic idle or apparent air leak.

- Steering racks and columns are common failures. The handling reaction will be a second or two behind steering input in such a case; car will also tramline and follow road too much.

- Check for snapped front springs.

- CV gaiters should be checked - clicking noise on full lock means theyre gone.

- Handbrake is normally not good.

- If lowered, will need new front strut top mounts sooner or later. If majorly lowered, check to see that brake pressure-regulating control valve has been adjusted at the rear - otherwise the back wheels will lock too easily. Lowering also places extra strain on front anti-roll bar mountings and bushes and the track rod ends.

Interior:

- Sunroofs leak - tough luck!

- Electric window and mirror switches are very expensive - so check them too.

- Front seat belt reels often become ineffective - especially the drivers one.

- Door handle rods in door mechanism can come loose, so that the handle wont work. A time-consuming but easy job.
 


Quote: Originally posted by Ben H on 20 February 2004
Sorry?  Take it up to 4500rpm?You need to rev it to 7300rpm to get anywhere!



l like ure style.
 
  leon cupra R


ok neva relised that it would cost abit to keep it runin and in good condition, i should be ok i like to keep my cars in mint condition anyway and funds for repairs will come from my university loan and my exciting job!!!!!
 
  leon cupra R


wen i get it ill take it on the dual carriage way take it to 7000 revs, my mate thinks his tomcat 216 with zurst and k&n will beat me, its pretty fast but i think ill leave him.
 

Daz.

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 200 RS EDC


Matey - One of the reasons I bought a valver is you have to abuse it to death to get anywhere rapido... Not only is it more fun in my opinion but you feel like your actually using it how is should be - thats my point of view anyway!
 


Quote: Originally posted by henry on 20 February 2004

wen i get it ill take it on the dual carriage way take it to 7000 revs, my mate thinks his tomcat 216 with zurst and k&n will beat me, its pretty fast but i think ill leave him.
u will totally anihalate it just keep ya foot on the floor and change gear about 6900
 


I like the fact you can drive them slow when you want too, we dont all wanna go flat out everywhere all the time, thats what you do before you get pubic hair.

However, there fun when you do, be careful what you buy though.

Oh yeah, mines for sale.
 
  BMW 320d Sport


Yeah dont get caught out below 4 grand, valvers couldnt pull the skin off a rice pudding at that sort of revs.4500 to around 6500 is the real powerband, beyond 6500 theres power there but not a great deal, depends really on your cams/chip etc. On a standard car you wont need to hit 7k revs all the time but a valver does definitely need to be kept on the boil.
 


I agree nick, I wasnt over impressed with mine until id been on a run on the motorway, come off the motorway then gave it some round town for a bit, felt loads faster, especially at high revs.

By the way, that looks interesting (avatar)
 


Quote: Originally posted by Ben H on 20 February 2004


Sorry? Take it up to 4500rpm? You need to rev it to 7300rpm to get anywhere in a Valver!

Mate, got to warn you that a Clio Valver is not a cheap car to run. You might be lucky and get a peach of a car that never needs more than oil and brake pads, but most will give you at least couple of fairly big bills every year (£500). Dont buy a 16V or Williams for an easy life!



I dont 100% agree with that - since ownership of my 16v ive never had "any" issues with my clio what so ever. I bought it with 40k on the clock - it now has 80k! in that time ive had a few clutch pedal problems but thats it. Ok ive just had a 2.0ltr williams engine fitted but that wasnt due to problems with the previous engine. If the car has been cared for and your prepared to do the same you will be fine.

its true about the revs tho - you have to get that 2nd cam spinning before you notice any performance pleasures of the 16v - take her all the way to the redline a few times! when will get out of the car shaking like a leaf if your not used to it.

Even the williams works partly the same way - i still have to get those revs up to really get her pushing! this is a combination of my choice of manifold and chip tho.
 
  Clio 190bhp Hybrid


Thing with the valver is its like a city car at low revs and can be driven slowly, or you can rag it in higher gears where things turn very rapid.

Id check teh car you just saw again if the condition was ok. Viper will be an asset as would stainless exhaust (if it is) and oz wheels in 15" sound like the owner cared for the handling more than looks (otherwise would have fitted bigger wheels).

Dont think they are too expensive to run just work under bonnet is time consuming hence costly. In nearly 40k of driving I have just replaced parts from OE spec to better but as they have worn out. Mine is 8 years old now and you have to replace a few bits like disks, pads, clutch, cambelt, wheel bearings, suspension after 82k and 8 years of running.

Check whats been done as if anything is due can be expensive.
 


OK - it does seem that there are a number of people who have very trusty Valvers and to a certain extent mine was too. Just trying to warn the guy off any impression that hell never have to pay for anything but servicing - because lets face it, there are a lot of stories of woe and misery! Buy carefully seems to be the best piece of advice!

The Valver actually has a useful level of torque at 2-3000rpm, so its quite easy to make progress when youre waiting for the oil to warm up. However, on a standard car the torque drops off from 3000-4500rpm again.
 
  Clio 190bhp Hybrid


Yeah my valver has never let me down but changing things for good quality parts before the car breaks down is advisable. And you get what you pay for. OE disks can be got for 20 quid or so, over a 100 quid for good tarox but they are better.

Ebay and here are good sources for parts. Only exepensive jobs are cluth IRO 300 quid and cambelt IRO 160 quid. Water pump can go to and it a 12 quid part but bloody expensive labour wise.
 

Daz.

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 200 RS EDC


Dont forget the good old £265 tensioner system! after thats done I think finally im sound! (Oh apart form the airbag light :cry:)
 


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