Clio conversion fact...

[James.f]

First off dont call me a n00b for this lol, but luke wanted me to have some reasurance before i comit on doing the conversion..

As i have a 1.2 iv been wanting a sport for a while, but since i have to keep the clio for another 2years may aswell do this. & just to clarify i wont be doing it on my own, as Luke has said he will come up to help me, which i cant thank enough

so, as my previous thread regarding if parts from a 1.2 will fit, i was told by many who have allready done the conversion that part will fit, which i was well chuffed about :approve:

since il be startin the conversion on my own mainly stripping the front end etc, which i wont have any problems as iv removed wing's etc before, and luke mainly helpin with the loom removing engine etc, we just are unsure on what were going to come across that might make our work come to a halt..

so is there any tools we will need?

i do have a few tools for the od jobs, but il be gettin some new spanner sets and sockets ratches etc..

What about the Brake Reservoir pot? will i need to move it?
its currently on the left hand side on a 1.2, but on the sport its up beside the water bottle,

Body loom ?

Now this is were me and luke are like :dead: as iv seen on ditz project thread he had to re-wire mostly his inside, which thats a job me and luke arnt partically happy with as were both useless on that part,
But on Fred's dynacup hes done exactly what im about to be doing, yet not sure about his loom,

can anyone clarify this if i have to have a 172 body loom ?

1 more thing..

since my local Renault is 45miles away, cant get it towed there to get the key coded, is it worth De-imobilising the ECU ? so when i do turn key it will turn and fire ?


Anything else we may come across, can you please post it down

Muschos

James / Luke

 

[Riley!]

header tank will need to be relocated if your keeping brake res in same place by sounds of it but need pic really . . . dont move it unless you really have too, I'd like to think it dosn't need relocating

As for ECU send it off and get it de-mob'd lad, will save loads of hassel and can be done for £50 IIRC

 

[Riley!]

ow and another think the power steering fluid res is up next to header tank on sport, the brake res is on the other side (drivers side)

 

[Hutchie]

steering rack is same lenght

i have just put all 172 gear on 1.2 subframe and steering rack must be same overall length as didnt need to do tracking

 

[James.f]

Crist that was fast Riley,

We i will be keeping the brakes res same place, just moving the heder tank tbh, will work out easier if we do in the long run,

£50, saw that foxy payed £150 to get his done, is RS tuner the best place to get it done at ?

 

[James.f]

steering rack is same lenght

i have just put all 172 gear on 1.2 subframe and steering rack must be same overall length as didnt need to do tracking

ye we covered that last time lol,

but what about Body loom, thats the most 2nd important thing to be done...

 

[powey]

engine hoist

On the 172 lump put new belts, oil, etc while its out to make it easier
coolant to top up with
A spare jack or 2
jubilee clips and insulation tape.

All simple stuff but better to not forget it

 

[powey]

keep the header tank at the same level as I beleve otherwise it will effect the pressure?

 

[Riley!]

ay im just glad to try and help, love this kind of thing

the £50 job envolves sending it to a company in germany, thats the down side.

Does the engine loom even connect to the body loom???

 

[Luke.]

header tank on 1*2 and 1.2 are in the same place though iirc!! its the brake fluid resiviour we need to move im sure! not any others!

 

[Riley!]

pics of 1.2 engine bay , , , , ,

 

[James.f]

sorry riley went off to bed last night lol,
here are the two pics to compare

1.2

and sport

With this body loom i have no idea, surely it just connects to everything inside then into Ecu just like a normal, wouldnt see any reason why it would tho,

Who are the company in germany fella ? if its fastchip then fine as iv heard good stuff about Henk etc.

 

[Riley!]

I wanted the pic on 1.2 to see brake res but cant see it in that pic lol. As for the sport, you do realise its the p/s fluid res next to header tank . . .

To be honest I cant remember the name of the company, but I know of it from my days on the williams clio forum, pop on there and ask the question fella, You never know though Henk may be able to do it, drop him a pm, he will reply same day. Very helpful man

 

[iimushroomzii]

I thought brake res and header tanks where in similair if not identical places on sports to non sports?

 

[Riley!]

^^ thats what I thought, thats why I wanted pics. Im thinking he must be getting confused with p/s res

 

[Fred@BTM]

header tanks are the same

you need to change dash loom and engine loom

mechanically everything bolts in fine, you can use the 1.2 subframe but you have to drill a hole in it

also 1.2 running gear is not a problem (upgrade the brakes though)

 

[MATT BLACK]

Buy a complete donor kit off a salvage 172. Get the ECU, the key, the UCH and the chassis number off the salvage car, that way then you can obtain the immobiliser code from Renault to code the key in / order a new key.

Easy conversion.

 

[James.f]

header tanks are the same

you need to change dash loom and engine loom

mechanically everything bolts in fine, you can use the 1.2 subframe but you have to drill a hole in it

also 1.2 running gear is not a problem (upgrade the brakes though)

s**t thats what i didnt wan to hear, Dash loom so if i get hold of a dash loom from a 172 or 182, will it all plug in and work?

Why would i need to drill a hole in the subframe Fred?

ye brakes will be upgraded hopefully to the big brake kit from k-tec

 

[Cro]

The loom from the front of the pillar forward will need changed, basically plug and play as long as it mates ok with the rear loom.
A hole will be needed to be drilled for one of the mounts and iirc I thought fred had to drill a bit of the subframe so the driveshafts could be used? I might be wrong tho! If you can get the whole front end of a car your laughing

 

[James.f]

right ok, iv currently emailed a few people who are breaking 172, so just hopefully theyl be willing to remove the loom for me,

What do you mean drill a hole for mounts ? im gettin 172 mounts with the engine, so they should be just bolt in..

Would love to get the whole front end, but then thats going to cost me around 1500quid, which im not on a tight budget, but i cant find that amount that fast, but would make it much easier for me

 

[James.f]

^^ thats what I thought, thats why I wanted pics. Im thinking he must be getting confused with p/s res

sorry riley, ye the big block on the bottom right with loads ov pipes is the brake resevoir my bad, i was talkin about the Brake fluid pot thats currently on the left hand side on a 1.2,

 

[Cro]

Yeah you might have 172 mounts but they dont all match the 1.2 subframe... hence the need to drill

 

[Hutchie]

front gearbox mount is missing from 1.2 subframe

 

[f0xy]

Make sure if your getting the ECU de-immobilised that its hardware based, and not just someone re-coding the software (ECU Clinic, who i used, are software only).

Hardware based = soldering a cicruit inside the ecu.

Otherwise wave bye bye to your time and money if you ever want to re-map it, weather it be RSTuner or a tuning company.

 

[James.f]

oh s**t, right ok, so would it be just a simply drill, and fix mount, or is it more to that?

is it best to remove the subframe out, after putting engine/gearbox in, so i can see were to line it up and drill, or do it all outside the car?

 

[James.f]

Make sure if your getting the ECU de-immobilised that its hardware based, and not just someone re-coding the software.

Hardware based = soldering a cicruit inside the ecu.

Otherwise wave bye bye to your time and money if you ever want to re-map it, weather it be RSTuner or a tuning company.

Have Emailed Paul at Rstuner today to ask if he could de-immobilised it,

Were did you get yours done Jord?

 

[f0xy]

flashed the ECU with RSTuner to virginise it (wipe immobiliser code), then bought the emulator (hardware chip) myself.

 

[James.f]

Ahh, do you have a guide on how to do it fella ? that means il need a Rs tuner great since theres a group buy on just now lol

 

[Riley!]

sorry riley, ye the big block on the bottom right with loads ov pipes is the brake resevoir my bad, i was talkin about the Brake fluid pot thats currently on the left hand side on a 1.2,

are you talking left looking at it or left as in sat in car. Talk to me in offside and nearside . . .

 

[James.f]

Haha sorry fella,

i mean from outside as you look into the car, but ye big block is on the nearside but the brake fluid pot is on the offside, so really can i just move it slightly higher from were its at now, or would i need to move it?

 

[Riley!]

the one on the 172 is on the same side, surely they will be the same.

 

[James.f]

flashed the ECU with RSTuner to virginise it (wipe immobiliser code), then bought the emulator (hardware chip) myself.

Just had a quote fomr Paul @ Rs tuner to get the ECU De-Imob and its £150+vat (172.50) bit steep, or is that the going rate for these to get done,

do we get a Discount if were CS member by anychance

 

[Fred@BTM]

why do you need to remove the immobiliser?

 

[James.f]

because it wont work with my key, and the nearest Renault is 45+miles away, + on renault rates per hour it would be close to £250 to get the ecu programed to my key

 

[Fred@BTM]

erm but you have to change the UCH, the decoder ring and the plip into your car from the donor

 

[James.f]

Is there any way i can keep what i have on mine(UCH(waterver that is) the Decoder ring and plip) and just program the ecu to work with them?

surely renault could do this ye?

 

[Cro]

Renault won't do it, unless you have somebody on the inside that will do it on the sly! Easiest way to do it is get they key, decoder and ecu / uch from a 1*2. Using the 1.2 or whatever you have ecu isn't an option as far as im aware.
If as you as you say money isn't really an issue but you would like it done as quick as possible then get the right stuff, in the long run you'll save hassle WHEN something goes wrong!

 

[MATT BLACK]

Going about this in a complicated way - just buy a 172 ECU kit off a salvage car. Make sure it comes with the UCH, ECU, PLIP key and the immobiliser code or chassis number off the Donor vehicle.

Done lots of these conversions and there dead simple - ive got an ECU kit for sale with codes for £150 delivered. Full conversion kit is £1500 + vat

 

[James.f]

Im gettin the ECU with the engine..

Iv pm'd him about the UCH, and PLIP and decoder ring as thats what fred said, how would the guy get the immobilisier code? chassi number is possible.. will i need the key ?

Can anyone explain what a UCH is ?

 

[James.f]

Oh and another thing fellas, would a body loom from a cup 172 work?