Considering a clio diesel

[Nafoff]

thank you for your knowledge, my quest will really begin when the passat goes...
hopefully that will be soon

 

[mark smith87]

Clio Dci probably a good buy. The Pug 106 is a flimsy car in comparison and the 1.5 non turbo engine is noisy and slow. The 306 is a good car to look at and drives well. it has passive rear steering same as Citroen ZX.

 

[Nafoff]

yeah i think i have written off the 106
deffo between the clio and 306 although i am slightly leaning towards another clio,

little things like knowing the car a bit more, and the fact i already have a set-up for the roof rack for a clio beens lower costs in the future

 

[StephenJ]

dCi 100 all the way!!!! www.cliodci.net for loads of info as Martin has said

Very interested in the dci 100s so want to look at the above link but it just sends me to google.

 

[Scrooge]

I would to with the 306 doing that amount of miles. If you go for clio try and get one over 100k as most bits by then have been replaced. A low m8leage one is expensive and will have loads of bits ready to break

 

[Nafoff]

I would to with the 306 doing that amount of miles. If you go for clio try and get one over 100k as most bits by then have been replaced. A low m8leage one is expensive and will have loads of bits ready to break

thats an interesting way to look at it, i spose by default you tend to look for lower mileage but thats a very good point,
thank you

 

[Scrooge]

Mine just got better with age tbh. Obviously make sure there is lots of history and receipts but from my experience (2 dcis) they seem to go wrong between 70k and 100k

 

[welshname]

i thought the DCi 80's had the best fuel economy out of the 3.

 

[Dweeb]

get a dci van!

 

[Nafoff]

i thought the DCi 80's had the best fuel economy out of the 3.

Whats the differences between them all? I heard the 80's and 100's experienced more problems?

get a dci van!

I looked into it but apparently they are more expensive to tax, this whole excersise is for money saving so if thats the case that option is out of the window straight away. Lol

 

[welshname]

not too clued up on the dci range. i havent heard anything bad about them to be honest, the dci 80 has the intercooler and bigger injectors, returns better MPG (believe west renault are getting up to 80mpg in their dci rep) and then the 100 it less economical and i think has a bigger turbo.

all i know though sorry.

 

[Alastair.]

heres a breakdown Neil.....

65 bhp -
No blue letters in the word DCI on the sidestrip.
No intercooler.
Turbo is a 5435 970 0000 Borg warner K series.
JB3 gearbox pretty much same as 1.6 16v.
Engine codes - K9K 704, K9K 700
OVAL PLATE CB07 (Inside of drivers door)
Standard Turbo Boost Pressure = 1 Bar (14.5psi)
Standard Fuel Pressure = 1400psi
No intercooler


80 bhp -
Blue I in the word DCI on the sidestrip.
Large Intercooler located infront of the radiator.
Injectors 15% more efficient than 65's.
Slightly different turbo to 65 (5435 970 0002 Borg warner K series).
JC5 gearbox pretty much same as 2.0 16v. From 2004 onwards JH3 and JR5 boxes were also fitted.
Engine code - K9K 702
OVAL PLATE CB08
Standard Turbo Boost Pressure = 1.2 Bar (17.4psi)
Standard Fuel Pressure = 1400psi

100 bhp -
Blue CI in the word DCI on the sidestrip.
Small fat intercooler (17% more efficient than 80 ic). Located infront of the radiator at the bottom.
Same injectors as 80.
Same fuel pump as 65 & 80 but runs at 1600 bar
Again, more efficient, variable geometry turbo (5439 970 0030 Borg warner K series)
Different block and head and different injection set up to 65 & 80 with the 100 having a stronger crank, stronger rods and pistons.
Inlets on the head are bigger, different cam and ex manifold.
Gearstick, reverse is down and right as opposed to up and left with the lift.
Gearbox is a JR5 120. (5 Speed box as fitted to petrol lagunas, no renault 6 speed box fits!)
Engine code - K9K 712.
OVAL PLATE CB2G
Standard Turbo Boost Pressure = 1.25 Bar (18.1psi)
Standard Fuel Pressure = 1600psi

 

[welshname]

heres a breakdown Neil.....

65 bhp -
No blue letters in the word DCI on the sidestrip.
No intercooler.
Turbo is a 5435 970 0000 Borg warner K series.
JB3 gearbox pretty much same as 1.6 16v.
Engine codes - K9K 704, K9K 700
OVAL PLATE CB07 (Inside of drivers door)
Standard Turbo Boost Pressure = 1 Bar (14.5psi)
Standard Fuel Pressure = 1400psi
No intercooler


80 bhp -
Blue I in the word DCI on the sidestrip.
Large Intercooler located infront of the radiator.
Injectors 15% more efficient than 65's.
Slightly different turbo to 65 (5435 970 0002 Borg warner K series).
JC5 gearbox pretty much same as 2.0 16v. From 2004 onwards JH3 and JR5 boxes were also fitted.
Engine code - K9K 702
OVAL PLATE CB08
Standard Turbo Boost Pressure = 1.2 Bar (17.4psi)
Standard Fuel Pressure = 1400psi

100 bhp -
Blue CI in the word DCI on the sidestrip.
Small fat intercooler (17% more efficient than 80 ic). Located infront of the radiator at the bottom.
Same injectors as 80.
Same fuel pump as 65 & 80 but runs at 1600 bar
Again, more efficient, variable geometry turbo (5439 970 0030 Borg warner K series)
Different block and head and different injection set up to 65 & 80 with the 100 having a stronger crank, stronger rods and pistons.
Inlets on the head are bigger, different cam and ex manifold.
Gearstick, reverse is down and right as opposed to up and left with the lift.
Gearbox is a JR5 120. (5 Speed box as fitted to petrol lagunas, no renault 6 speed box fits!)
Engine code - K9K 712.
OVAL PLATE CB2G
Standard Turbo Boost Pressure = 1.25 Bar (18.1psi)
Standard Fuel Pressure = 1600psi

You win.

What are the MPG figures as im sure that will be the deciding factor, aswell as initial purchase price

 

[Sash]

My dad has had the engine stripped out of my bro's 65 and the turbo and pipes were totally caked with sh!t. the only way to really find this out is to strip them down! Just make sure it hasnt been driven like a granny all its life - this will cause the build up. I aim to give at least 2 full rev range blasts each drive (one the engine oil temp is up obv)... just to keep it as clear as possible! I prefer my 100 over the 65 mind...

The only downside I've encountered with my 100 is trying to source 2nd hand/recon CV joints... its got the laguna jc5 box (the only clio to have this box) and because there aren't many 100's around, trying to course these parts is like rocking horse poop. Oh and the laguna shafts dont fit, and I refuse to pay £190+VAT from renault for a new one!

EDIT: just seen Ali's post... Mine doesn't have any dCi badges, just 16v ones :rasp:
Im doing 63/4mpg (mainly motorway btw)

 

[Alastair.]

as sash said, these engines get coked up, i use the mrs 65 once a week, it will get a good thrashing in second gear on the limiter for a few seconds. doesnt smoke one bit and its done 130k. when they plod around town all day thats when they become smokey, egr vlaves get blocked etc.

 

[Nafoff]

Thank you again guys for the info. Super helpful. So am i alot better off looking into 80's and 100's?

If i hadn't asked for info i would be looking for totally the wrong thing (a low miler thats been driven conservatively... Lol)

 

[welshname]

Thank you again guys for the info. Super helpful. So am i alot better off looking into 80's and 100's?

If i hadn't asked for info i would be looking for totally the wrong thing (a low miler thats been driven conservatively... Lol)

i wouldnt bother with the 65, slow as s**t and ive heard they arent great for motorway use either.

www.cliodci.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=54

this might be of some help, havent read it myself as the site appears to be down at the moment.

100 is tax band c with slightly less MPG
80 is tax band b with slightly higher mpg and as you will be doing long journeys in it you should be seeing some impressive figures.

see below

Been away to for the long weekend and I am just gobsmacked at the DCI economy - even after a year of ownership!

500+ miles to about 2/3rds of a tank and after 200+ miles this was my average MPG!

 

[Sash]

i wouldnt bother with the 65, slow as s**t and ive heard they arent great for motorway use either.

www.cliodci.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=54

this might be of some help, havent read it myself as the site appears to be down at the moment.

100 is tax band c with slightly less MPG
80 is tax band b with slightly higher mpg and as you will be doing long journeys in it you should be seeing some impressive figures.

see below

the tax on my 100 is £30... one of the 3 versions is £35 iirc.

 

[welshname]

maybe parkers needs to update then. didnt the tax bands change?

 

[StephenJ]

www.cliodci.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=54

Does this link work for eeryone else?

 

[welshname]

Does this link work for eeryone else?

read what i wrote just below that

 

[StephenJ]

iFail. sorry.

 

[Nafoff]

i wouldnt bother with the 65, slow as s**t and ive heard they arent great for motorway use either.
www.cliodci.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=54
this might be of some help, havent read it myself as the site appears to be down at the moment.
100 is tax band c with slightly less MPG
80 is tax band b with slightly higher mpg and as you will be doing long journeys in it you should be seeing some impressive figures.

i won't be doing any motorway miles sadly, and i hope this super-commute won't be for too long but it would be real handy to have a very economical car (even if it has got little character...lol)

will start focusing more on 80's then

 

[Nafoff]

so that runs my current viewing practically useless...lol
as i was mainly focusing on 65's, however my favourite of the last bunch was an 80...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif.../page/4/radius/1500/postcode/ba44pd?logcode=p

may be worth contacting, looks quite good, clean etc, however does look like it has the usually (idiot mechanic) bonnet dent.... doh

 

[Sash]

No mention of service history...?
Fairly tidy, no A/C - if that bothers you, that is - Steering wheel is a bit minging...

Worth a look I spose, just get someone to stand behind the car on tick over to make sure it doesn't smoke, also when you give it a little rev.

 

[Martin_172]

100's are worth the difference in cash, mpg on them is pretty much the same as a 65 unless ur using the extra power!

 

[welshname]

its the same as the 65 which is less than the 80

 

[Martin_172]

not really....

 

[Nafoff]

after having a look over autotrader for DCi 80's i am surprised how much more £££ they are,
i found very few....

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif.../page/3/postcode/ba44pd/radius/1500?logcode=p
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif.../postcode/ba44pd/radius/1500/page/6?logcode=p
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif.../radius/1500/postcode/ba44pd/page/8?logcode=p

more promising
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif.../radius/1500/postcode/ba44pd/page/8?logcode=p
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif.../radius/1500/postcode/ba44pd/page/8?logcode=p

 

[Sash]

Id ignore this one... http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...ge/6?logcode=p its been serviced at s**t-fit!
Ive noticed not many cars on AT list service history, although saying that the last few you've listed do mention it but no details on cambelt etc...

 

[Nafoff]

Id ignore this one... http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...ge/6?logcode=p its been serviced at s**t-fit!
Ive noticed not many cars on AT list service history, although saying that the last few you've listed do mention it but no details on cambelt etc...

if i can afford to be picky i really don't want black to be honest...
out of all of those this one stand out to me - http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif.../radius/1500/postcode/ba44pd/page/8?logcode=p

sounds like someone who knows about the car, just a shame about the marks on it.

another thing that really really annoys me about autotrader is people just autofill the text using basically a brochure spec...ffs

 

[Martin_172]

that silver one looks decent and as said it looks like he knows his stuff, egr has been replaced and belts done. keep in mind billabong models have a horrible interior, well actually its not to bad still sports seats just a weird colour.

80s are £20 to tax now iirc

 

[Nafoff]

that silver one looks decent and as said it looks like he knows his stuff, egr has been replaced and belts done. keep in mind billabong models have a horrible interior, well actually its not to bad still sports seats just a weird colour.
80s are £20 to tax now iirc

i was going to argue with your statement of a horrible interior as i own a phase 1 172, but i noticed you do also.... can't be worse than the god awful blue dash...lol
still need to sell the passat first however

 

[Martin_172]

lol i funny enough like the ph1 interior!! but na its not the best in the billaong

 

[black_sunrise]

Im kind of in the same boat at the minute and considering my options

i did think of the clio and maybe a 306 like you but have you considered a VW lupo diesel?

 

[Nafoff]

i have, i also found an arosa diesel on Edition38 for cheap cheap but they are super dooper small and alot less comfortable even than the clio

linky to arosa - http://www.edition38.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=378063

 

[Martin_172]

my sister has a lupo, dont know if the diesels are better but hers is a piece of s**t, im pulling the head off it this week to rebuild the top end as its drinking oil.

interior is terribly made, gearbox is terrible, brakes are crap, handles rubbish. i dont like them!

 

[Nafoff]

i dont like them!

really? couldn't tell...lol

 

[Nafoff]

so i still haven't got one... but that is because the passat hasn't sold yet
HOWEVER i do seem to have someone very interested so i maybe able to go proper shopping soon,

it has got me thinking though, in the past week myself and the gf have confirmed a new place, this will mean my commute is halved. but better still the road i will be commuting on is epic, i was wondering if the diesel was still the best thing,
although i imagine with some sticky tyres and some good suspension it will be just as good as anything else.

 

[Martin_172]

they have the sports suspension package in Dynamique trim on the diesel as standard and handle very well, or at least a lot better than 1.2 16v's etc do, ive said it before on here i think, the DCi Dynamiques handle closer to a 172 than they do a 1.2 16v! nice heavy steering etc.

my mapped 100 @ 130hp 190lb/ft with sportlines and koni dampers with T1-R's all round was seriously quick at covering ground!