cup 172 or not?

[clioboy25]

hi guys sounds abit of a stupid question but im not sure if my 172 is the cup model or not?how would i know? my hpi check says not a cup and the insurance company says its a cup?

 

[welshname]

Post some pictures and then someone can actually help.

It should have cloth interior (unless replaced) no climate or aircon (aircon was an option on a few), mondial blue or iceberg silver,
Must be ph2 obviously. No ABS, no engine cover as standard, cup badges on the doors, standard with 16" silver turini's.

Few other bits too like bolt spacing on the hubs for the suspension.

 

[Don]

172Cups came in 2 colours...Mondiale Blue and Iceburg Silver. Came with cloth interior and had 172Cup on the doors (although they would probably be off by now!)

The lights will not be Xenons, no side airbags in seats, only 4 seats (no middle seatbelt is main visual thing and no split fold rear seat)

Picture of your car would help....

 

[clioboy25]

car was silver but it had full respray in frozen white.its got half leather interior, hasnt got engine cover on but the engine has been replaced at some time so maybe they just left the cover off.

 

[clioboy25]

just checked it also got the middle seat belt attached to the roof in the rear aswell, why is my insurance company saying its a cup then any ideas?only reason i need to know is to buy the correct parts.

 

[MarkCup]

What reg is it?

As yours has had colour and interior changes, the easiest way to tell is brake hard. If ABS kicks in = non-Cup, if you lock and slide = Cup.

 

[MarkCup]

just checked it also got the middle seat belt attached to the roof in the rear aswell, why is my insurance company saying its a cup then any ideas?only reason i need to know is to buy the correct parts.

Doesn't sound like a Cup. Lots of insurance companies get them mixed up.

What parts are you after? Almost all parts except what's already been mentioned above are identical for both models.

 

[welshname]

just checked it also got the middle seat belt attached to the roof in the rear aswell, why is my insurance company saying its a cup then any ideas?only reason i need to know is to buy the correct parts.

A cup is more expensive to insure so you'd best check if it is or isn't.

We need pictures or a reg plate as it may have spent time on here.

 

[clioboy25]

aint long bought it, its a 51plate 2002

 

[clioboy25]

need wheel bearing as the front drivers side is really whirling bad if im doin 70mph and the faster i go the louder it gets.

 

[Chrisgti6]

Post up the reg and someone will check (or PM me if you like and I can check for you)

 

[MarkCup]

If it's 51-plate it's almost guaranteed to not be a Cup...I don't think they started being registered until 03 (although there may be the odd 52-plate Cup out there).

 

[Chrisgti6]

PM received, still no wiser though. MyCarCheck app holds virtually no data on it (just says it's a Renault Clio 2ltr) but the Motor Insurance Database shows it as a Cup.

What does the V5 say?

 

[clioboy25]

on v5 it says cup mate im positive it does but il check it to be 100%

 

[clioboy25]

just checked wikipedia and it says the cup hasnt got rain sensative wipers but mine has

 

[Kruxxie]

Has it got plastic front wings? Was this not a differance between the two models.

 

[welshname]

No, front wings on ALL Mk2 clio's are plastic.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Given that its had a respray and clearly lots of other stuff done to it, there is nothing that can guarentee one way or the other really other than ask renault based on the chassis number.

Everything different is pretty easily swapped between the two, non abs is probably the biggest clue though.

 

[welshname]

Given that its had a respray and clearly lots of other stuff done to it, there is nothing that can guarentee one way or the other really other than ask renault based on the chassis number.

Everything different is pretty easily swapped between the two, non abs is probably the biggest clue though.

Would have thought they'd have been unlikely to do the hubs so perhaps that's his best bet to check? They're different on the 172 cup aren't they?

That said just to clear things up. Does this car have a sunroof?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Would have thought they'd have been unlikely to do the hubs so perhaps that's his best bet to check? They're different on the 172 cup aren't they?

That said just to clear things up. Does this car have a sunroof?

Hubs are the same on cup and non cup, its the wishbones that are different, but my non cup one has cup wishbones for example.

None of them have a sunroof, so I assume you mean to prove its not a white base model shell used to rebuild one?

 

[Brett]

No 1*2's had Sunroofs Rhys.

 

[welshname]

No 1*2's had Sunroofs Rhys.

I know dickhead

I'm guessing it's a rep with the conversion if it's had an engine put in and a respray. The white ones on here were both non sports iirc.

Would also explain the confusion between V5 and the insurance etc and HPI checks if it's one that's been done and then registered.

 

[clioboy25]

no sunroof on mine guys either.iv got to sort which model i got so i can buy the parts i need wishone being 1 of them,mine was definatly a clio sport from factory its not been changed.

 

[Chip-mk1]

no sunroof on mine guys either.iv got to sort which model i got so i can buy the parts i need wishone being 1 of them,mine was definatly a clio sport from factory its not been changed.

Whichever yours was, buy cup wishbones, why would you want the awful standard ones instead?

 

[clioboy25]

Whichever yours was, buy cup wishbones, why would you want the awful standard ones instead?

?
thought the cup and non cup wishbones are different fitting mate?

 

[Chip-mk1]

?
thought the cup and non cup wishbones are different fitting mate?

The only difference between the 172 and 172 cup wishbones is that the cup ones sit the bottom balljoint slightly further forward which gives you slightly more caster and improves the handling.
No enthusiastic driver has any reason to ever have the non cup ones IMHO

 

[clioboy25]

so wether i get cup or non cup wishbones aslong as they for the 172 they will fit mate?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Yes they will fit, but you MUST get the same for both sides, ie both cup or both non cup, and the cup ones are better for handling.

 

[clioboy25]

thanks mate

 

[Chip-mk1]

No worries, We have cup ones on one of our non cup 172s

 

[clioboy25]

are they expensive to buy?

 

[dannyb]

Nice post I never realised they were a straight swap and I reckon my non cup will need some soon :thumbup:

 

[Chip-mk1]

are they expensive to buy?

Not mega expensive but also not parts factor cheap (ie not 15 quid a side like a lot of cars), think it was about 70 quid each or something when we last bought some a few weeks ago.

 

[clioboy25]

are the hubs and bearings the same on a cup as a non cup also mate ?

 

[Don]

Dvla dont necessarily get the car right. My old 306 was a 1.6...imported from Germany (but purchased there as a UK spec car by member of forces based over there). Dvla had it down as 1.4 but to make sure I was covered, I registered it with DVLA as 1.6 (meant more in tax, but didnt want write off and inaurance not being valid!)

 

[Chip-mk1]

172 and 172 cup yes the hubs and bearings are the same

Only one different for hubs and bearings is the 182 cup (and hence the trophy based on it too)

 

[clioboy25]

172 and 172 cup yes the hubs and bearings are the same

Only one different for hubs and bearings is the 182 cup (and hence the trophy based on it too)

thanks mate

 

[Chip-mk1]

Dvla dont necessarily get the car right. My old 306 was a 1.6...imported from Germany (but purchased there as a UK spec car by member of forces based over there). Dvla had it down as 1.4 but to make sure I was covered, I registered it with DVLA as 1.6 (meant more in tax, but didnt want write off and inaurance not being valid!)

Guy I used to work with bought a brand new Alfa, the logbook turned up saying BMW, lol

 

[.Ben.]

I bought a pair of Cup wishbones from a breaker on eBay for £35 delivered. Bushes seem good and after giving them a going over with a wire brush, and a spatter of Hammerite smooth they look like new! Get some bought!

I used to have a Cup but now have a boggo 172 and I prefer the lardy car (with Cup tweaks!), TBH.

ABS & A/C FTW.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Check they actually are cup ones, lots of breakers seem to not know the difference.


We've got what I think is the perfect fastroad daily and occasional trackday car blend:

Lardy non cup with leather/aircon/abs/xenons
Trophy front seats
Cup dampers and wishbones
Cup turinis
Lightly modded engine (ARPs, supertechs, 197 cams etc)
Standard ECU running an RS2 inlet.

Sure its a little slower than it would be minus the leather and aircon etc, but its so much nicer as a daily with them.


Its cool the way you can mix and match the parts so easily