cup vs type r

darrens172cup · Oct 25, 2005

many people have said to me the 182 cup will beat a civic type r and so will the 172 cup,i no it always depends on the driver but how have people got on against em?

Adam · Oct 25, 2005

it just depends on what the situation is.
i know for a fact that a172(not even cup) will beat a type r from say 10 - 100mhp...but Ater that the type r will pull away.

Sir_Dave · Oct 25, 2005

Beat them at what? 0-60, 0-100, 60-80 in 4th, corning, slalom . . .

Theres quite a few variables before you even get onto the subject of drivers lol

darrens172cup · Oct 25, 2005

easy sir dave,just ment in general, off the lights or round town.

Sir_Dave · Oct 25, 2005

Sorry but its such a naff question, especially when you qualify it by saying 'off the lights or around town' . . . perhaps im just getting old and boring now im 23!

Not having a go

Akira2506 · Oct 25, 2005

Type R - 197bhp - 1200kg - 6.4seconds
172 - 172bhp - 1035kg - 7.0seconds
182 Trophy - 182bhp - 1090kg - 6.9seconds

They're the official figures... the clio has the better power to weight ratio, but with the Civic's i-Vtech 2-litre, it's probably gonna win 1st gear.

As for other stuff... *shrug* ... load up gran turismo 4 and have a bash!

-Akira

Sir_Dave · Oct 25, 2005

To answer the question with regard to straight line speed, i test drove both a couple of weeks ago and would imagine the civic would pull away cleanly from about 90+ . . wouldnt say theres much difference in them though to be honest.

Real world acceleration differences between cars 20bhp or so apart is minimal to be honest.

darrens172cup · Oct 25, 2005

i no ya not having a go mate.its just a general question and this is the general chat forum.was just wondering.

Andi-B · Oct 25, 2005

Heeeheee ....

Wanna know whats faster??

http://media.putfile.com/Renault-Clio-Sport-vs-Honda-Civic

:race:

Nick_R182 · Oct 25, 2005

I know a few people who have either type r, 172 and 182, and they are all pretty even. The clios will keep on the type r's bumper but it wont pull on them untill silly speeds. But off the lights or arround town is a stupid question. If you want to race one go to the pod or a trackday. Then you will have a fair test

Lagerlout · Oct 25, 2005

There's really not a great deal in it.

The TypeR in my experience at least, is quicker above 100, but below that it's pretty close.

LOL @ that video.... Can you get away with driving like at track days in this country??!!

Trevor · Oct 25, 2005

What a great video and a great site-Will have a proper look at the whole thing!

Mondial172 · Oct 25, 2005

Lock it!

JBarber · Oct 25, 2005

Here's the times from the Stig on top gear. Not sure if they are all under comparable conditions. Interestingly the cup comes out faster than the V6?

http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonbbc2/laptimes/thestig/

Nick_R182 · Oct 25, 2005

I think they tested the v6 in the wet and the stig span it iirc

JBarber · Oct 25, 2005

yeah pity that list doesn't say something about track conditions

Leeshez · Oct 25, 2005

I have driven the CTR and i thought it was more powerful than my 182 and it handled better

Plattsy · Oct 25, 2005

i always thought 172s where slow, not so sure bout the cups or 182s tho. id expect a ctr to destroy a clio 172

182 sport · Oct 25, 2005

172 is same speed as 182.more or less.

Gaz_ · Oct 25, 2005

Plattsy said:
i always thought 172s where slow, not so sure bout the cups or 182s tho. id expect a ctr to destroy a clio 172

:nono: not true matey, i was surprised in my cup, thought A type r would leave me but no

JayGTT · Oct 25, 2005

the clio in the vid is a phase 1 172

you dont see many CTR in the 14's @ santa pod.

Andi-B · Oct 25, 2005

JayGTT said:
the clio in the vid is a phase 1 172

you dont see many CTR in the 14's @ santa pod.

Thats why I posted it .... there isnt much difference as they look as though they're power to power round the track, but the guy in the clios out-performing the CTR round the bends and for the most part and you've gotta admit, hes flooring it on the outside and still managing to keep the pace on the CTR too...

still .. its a good race though

tomehb · Oct 25, 2005

Well, today i was keeping up with a CTR in my 172 CUP on the way back from swansea on the bendy roads.... an ofc i was not breaking any speed limits

JayGTT · Oct 25, 2005

l!ckeldev!l_2k1 said:
Thats why I posted it .... there isnt much difference as they look as though they're power to power round the track, but the guy in the clios out-performing the CTR round the bends and for the most part and you've gotta admit, hes flooring it on the outside and still managing to keep the pace on the CTR too...

still .. its a good race though

So much for everyone saying the phase 1 handles crap compared to the phase 2.

overtaking a CTR around the outside class

Andyvalver · Oct 25, 2005

Imo there is very little performance difference between these two cars so there is no point comparing. The winner out of the two will be down to the driver and his balls!

Akira2506 · Oct 26, 2005

^ dragged that off the fifth gear site.... yup, pretty much as close as it gets...

-Akira

Thomss · Oct 26, 2005

Both great cars

wozzaa · Oct 26, 2005

Those times are too close to say anything really some slight differences coulda caused that not taking a corner quite as fast ie couple mph slower or something.

Too close to really say 1 is faster than the other. Although for everyday driveability the clio wins hands down. Unless you enjoy driving around at 7000+rpm all the time.

Steve2004 · Oct 26, 2005

l!ckeldev!l_2k1 said:
Heeeheee ....

Wanna know whats faster??

http://media.putfile.com/Renault-Clio-Sport-vs-Honda-Civic

:race:

That 172 can't be standard surely?

Andi-B · Oct 26, 2005

Steve2004 said:
That 172 can't be standard surely?

Dunno if its standard Steve .. But from the outside its looks to be, its got all the standard outside trims/exhausts/wheels etc..

but even if it is, the guy driving is pushing that 172 round them bends and managing to keep the CTR going...

Evenly matched motors.. Still good viewing though

littleone · Oct 26, 2005

very good vid

id_doug · Oct 26, 2005

Ran 5 times against my friend (CTR) at york earlier this year in my 172 sport. Each run he beat me by about a cars length (a couple of tenths of a second). Times varried throughy the day but always about the same difference. Nothing in it.

jzr · Oct 26, 2005

well i had a play with type r an there was nothing in it an i have a full fat 172

Vtec Abuser · Nov 14, 2005

JayGTT said:
the clio in the vid is a phase 1 172

you dont see many CTR in the 14's @ santa pod.

Neither do you see many 172/182's mate...
Mine ran 14's all day long.... and it was standard.. Best being a 14.5 @ 97mph

Mondial172 · Nov 14, 2005

Some standard Cup's have made it into the late 14's afaik

Sure Rich-D's did few only a few miles on it.

_Tom · Nov 14, 2005

I met one when i was three up. Thought i had no chance but ended up pulling on him no probs.

I'd expect a 172/82 to keep with one. I'd say its about level.

MATT BLACK · Nov 14, 2005

If most of you lot would show your face at the dragstrip you would find out whats the quickest - dont talk about manufacturers figures - get off your ass and race one for real

Caramel · Nov 14, 2005

i have seen a 182 beat a type r first hand. the driver is on this forum.

TheJesus · Nov 14, 2005

JayGTT said:
the clio in the vid is a phase 1 172

you dont see many CTR in the 14's @ santa pod.

funny that, you don't see many 1*2's in the 14's either

hkka · Nov 14, 2005

I am from Far East. Civic Type R is designed for track usage basically. Same as Integra Type R (even better), it is probalby the best NA FF car in the world. But I don't think they import the Integra Type R to UK since 98, right?

But still, I love my Clio.

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