Dephaser replacement....is it a must for oil change? Just been serviced

[Tom163]

Hi all,

I am looking at getting all the belts done and dephaser due to the common fault but was wondering as I saw it mentioned on 1 thread that the oil and filter needs to be changed at the same time also......the car has just had the oil and filter a month ago and is still golden. Do I have to do them again?


Thanks

 

[Chi]

I wouldn't think so but it's only £20

 

[Edges]

I was told a new dephaser MUST have new oil and filter.. For the sake of £30 quid just do it

 

[Tom163]

But surely my 1 month old oil is just as good as new? its going to DDC renault specialist on here and they told me that its not needed and it so now i'm torn.

They told me it would be more than £30 too.

 

[Dan519]

Despise people giving silly low costs of doing things, be realistic. Its £55-£60 for oil and filter change

If its just been done, I wouldn't worry. Just make sure you change it every 6k from now on

 

[Carlv8415]

The dephaser has oil running through it. Why put a new one on and old oil through it ?

 

[Carlv8415]

Despise people giving silly low costs of doing things, be realistic. Its £55-£60 for oil and filter change

If its just been done, I wouldn't worry. Just make sure you change it every 6k from now on

£60 for oil!!!! Wouldn't want to shop where you do. 5 litres of Genuine Elf 5w-40 fully synthetic oil and genuine filter, £35 delivered iirc from Adam at Renault Wolverhampton

 

[Clart]

i did an oil change for about £6 using parts from Adam.

 

[MartinR]

Despise people giving silly low costs of doing things, be realistic. Its £55-£60 for oil and filter change

If its just been done, I wouldn't worry. Just make sure you change it every 6k from now on

As above.

No need imo if its not long been done.

The dephaser has oil running through it. Why put a new one on and old oil through it ?

It will have old oil pass through it after a few miles anyway

 

[Chip-mk1]

If the oil is that recent its not a drama to leave it in there.

 

[twilliams6854]

£60 for oil!!!! Wouldn't want to shop where you do. 5 litres of Genuine Elf 5w-40 fully synthetic oil and genuine filter, £35 delivered iirc from Adam at Renault Wolverhampton

Then paying somebody to do the work? £55-60 is about right then.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Then paying somebody to do the work? £55-60 is about right then.

If you are already paying them for a dephasor/belt change, then it is literally only a couple of mins work to change the oil and filter while you are in there, so easy to get at the filter when the engine is jacked up and slam panel is out the way etc.

 

[not normal dan]

£60 for oil!!!! Wouldn't want to shop where you do. 5 litres of Genuine Elf 5w-40 fully synthetic oil and genuine filter, £35 delivered iirc from Adam at Renault Wolverhampton

The blokes running a business, the oil and filter may only be 35 quid from Adam but it doesn't include labour!

 

[Nick172Cup]

Actual lol at people not understanding labour costs.

If it was changed that short time ago, don't bother doing it again.

 

[Tom163]

Thanks for the help guys. I didn't intend on this getting into an argument so maybe best to close this now its been resolved.

 

[Chip-mk1]

The blokes running a business, the oil and filter may only be 35 quid from Adam but it doesn't include labour!

No, but doing a dephasor and belt change etc does mean that the labour for oil and filter change is so easy (ie no time to get into the workshop, filter very easy to get at etc) so it shouldnt be same price as doing oil and filter in isolation.

Anyone needing to add more than a few mins to the job to change oil and fitler as well is probably in the wrong line of work, lol.

 

[not normal dan]

Not but doing a dephasor and belt change etc does mean that the labour is so easy.

Anyone needing to add more than a few mins to the job to change oil and fitler as well is probably in the wrong line of work, lol.

Totally see where you are coming from there, cars going to be off the ground so it's only the sump plug and fitted to remove.

What I was getting at is how people come up with silly prices for repairs. I know exactly how Dan feels cause I have to deal with idiots who expect you to repair there car for peanuts after reading threads like this.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Totally see where you are coming from there, cars going to be off the ground so it's only the sump plug and fitted to remove.

What I was getting at is how people come up with silly prices for repairs. I know exactly how Dan feels cause I have to deal with idiots who expect you to repair there car for peanuts after reading threads like this.

Agreed,
If it was oil and filter as a job on its own, its half an hour labour perfectly fairly by the time you have to get keys from the customer, get car into workshop and onto a ramp or into a bay, do a receipt, give keys back and all that stuff, in fact could easy be an hour if its a chatty customer, lol.

But to just add it onto a bigger job, its none of that, its literally just a few mins.

 

[not normal dan]

Agreed,
If it was oil and filter as a job on its own, its half an hour labour perfectly fairly by the time you have to get keys from the customer, get car into workshop and onto a ramp or into a bay, do a receipt, give keys back and all that stuff, in fact could easy be an hour if its a chatty customer, lol.

But to just add it onto a bigger job, its none of that, its literally just a few mins.

Yeah forgot to add the chatting to customer to the bill haha

 

[Darren S]

Thanks for the help guys. I didn't intend on this getting into an argument so maybe best to close this now its been resolved.

If it's having all this work done - get the gearbox oil dropped and changed too.

Definitely worth it if there's no previous record of it having been done.

D.

 

[Tom163]

If it's having all this work done - get the gearbox oil dropped and changed too.

Definitely worth it if there's no previous record of it having been done.

D.

That is definitly on the list to do but I don't mind doing that stuff on the driveway

 

[Dan519]

£60 for oil!!!! Wouldn't want to shop where you do. 5 litres of Genuine Elf 5w-40 fully synthetic oil and genuine filter, £35 delivered iirc from Adam at Renault Wolverhampton

Retail prices are £32 for the oil, just under £9 for the filter, then labour time, and environmental disposal charges, brake cleaner and blue tissue to clean up

lets say 15 minutes labour time, thats £12.50
We're at £54.50 already before we have to get rid of the waste and pay for consumables

 

[R-Sport.]

Also Main dealers don't work in half hours any more....


S

 

[Fred@BTM]

you pay to get rid of waste oil in Bedfordshire? I have companies fighting over each other to take mine away and THEY PAY ME to take it!

 

[Dan519]

Depends on the quantities. anything under 1000 litres costs a fortune, and still got to get rid of the barrel full of filters anyway

 

[Fred@BTM]

I get paid £10 approx per 200L!!

The local Irish community kindly take away my oil filters for free

 

[Dan519]

all fine, until the EA ask for a disposal certificate. had some pikeys come round for waste oil a year back, but they don't seem interested since

 

[Chip-mk1]

Depends on the quantities. anything under 1000 litres costs a fortune, and still got to get rid of the barrel full of filters anyway

http://www.webuywasteoil.co.uk/

You will get paid 25 quid for them to collect just 500 litres.


Save you passing on charges to customers when you could instead be making money on the waste to reduce their bill

They are fully registered and legal etc, so no worries about EA either. In fact if you dont already have a hazardous waste producer number, they will even assist you with setting it up to keep you all above board




You're welcome

 

[Fred@BTM]

No the Irish community don't take the oil, i'm on about registered waste oil collections, they even pay for my certificate the lot!

 

[MarcB]

My work gets paid to have there oil taken away also and its all above board

There is a company that also pays to take away the old tyres.

 

[Chip-mk1]

My work gets paid to have there oil taken away also and its all above board

There is a company that also pays to take away the old tyres.

I think most companies do these days, surprised to hear that anyone in the car game wouldnt know that!


Should make quite a difference to what Danny has to charge his customers for things like an oil change in future now he knows that if it means he goes from having "pay a fortune" to get rid of the used oil to getting a small payment back from it instead

 

[Dan@SJM]

Safety Kleen take mine away for free as part of the parts washer contract

 

[Alastair.]

Also Main dealers don't work in half hours any more....


S

Yes they do.

 

[Edges]

I pay circa £5 for a filter, you can get decent oil from Opie for under £25. While doing belts, as said it's hardly any extra time. Stuff a couple rags under the filter when removing stops mess. £30-35 doable surely!

 

[Chip-mk1]

I pay circa £5 for a filter, you can get decent oil from Opie for under £25. While doing belts, as said it's hardly any extra time. Stuff a couple rags under the filter when removing stops mess. £30-35 doable surely!

Indeed. I've never made so much mess just changing oil and filter that I need more than a couple pence worth of blue roll to wipe the few drops up with. Danny sounds like he empties the oil by taking the cam bungs out and then revving the engine to 7k till it's got none left or something to need pounds and pounds worth of brake cleaner and blue roll to sort the mess out. Lol.

 

[Chi]

Tip of the Day, check the bowl you use to catch the oil hasn't got a crack what a job that was

 

[Chip-mk1]

Tip of the Day, check the bowl you use to catch the oil hasn't got a crack what a job that was

Didn't think you kept any cars long enough for them to need an oil change.

 

[Chi]

That's the worst thing mate. . It was my dad's sprinter van! 11ltrs ffs.
I always change oil when I get a new/old car.

 

[Andyrg@ ClioTurbo]

Lol unlucky chi. Buy a cement mixing tray will help catch any spills. I've done that before its awful to clean up

We have a oil heating burner so it all goes I there to keep me warm

 

[MicKPM]

I can understand where Danny is coming from as by law any automotive workshop that has more than 200l of waste oil stored physically on site has to register with the environment agency as a "Dirty" site (This costs £14 per year). Failure to do so and any insurance you have covering the property in the event of fire (Either your fault or caused by fire spreading, vandalism, etc) and you will not be covered. We also get regularly inspected by Derbyshire Fire Brigade and they check fire extinguishers are in date as well as look for other flammable materials on site and if they're not to code you will be shut down, fined and not allowed to re-open until the faults have been sorted.

Around here no-one will collect waste oil for free that is a volume less than 1000l (Or a single IBC). I personally store 500l which costs me £40+VAT to recycle (I don't care, its a tax deductible cost) but if you have one or more IBC's on site then another UK law is that they have to be bunded adequately to store the contents of the IBC in the event of a spill and each must have a spill kit to hand. Yes IBC's are free from most places that supply them but the bunds can be over £1200 each (Which is why I only store 500l as the bunds are cheaper).

Oil burners - Yep, they're also an insurance nightmare to as they are a fire risk. Make sure you're actually covered people!