Diesel Clio's, which are the good ones?

[Macester]

good advice from dci 80 there.

injectors are right infront of you when you take the engine cover off. you will see 4 of them in a line with metal pipes going into them from the fuel pump. they also have a label near the top of them with some numbers on it.

I've tried to have a look around about coding these injectors, and apparently it doesn't have to be a renault job. just need the right software that can read it, this can do it: http://www.tec-stop.co.uk/sykes_acr_4.html

but of course, way out of price for any of us, but some decent garages should have stuff like that. It seems a simple process: http://www.mitinka.ru/files/launch_x431_renault_coding.pdf

 

[Scrooge]

good advice from dci 80 there.

injectors are right infront of you when you take the engine cover off. you will see 4 of them in a line with metal pipes going into them from the fuel pump. they also have a label near the top of them with some numbers on it.

I've tried to have a look around about coding these injectors, and apparently it doesn't have to be a renault job. just need the right software that can read it, this can do it: http://www.tec-stop.co.uk/sykes_acr_4.html

but of course, way out of price for any of us, but some decent garages should have stuff like that. It seems a simple process: http://www.mitinka.ru/files/launch_x431_renault_coding.pdf

I think refurbing them is the best bet. About 80 for each injector and you don't have to code them

 

[Macester]

yeah best bet for johnson here would be refurbing them like you say, then you know they aren't going to break 5 minutes down the road. I just got abit carried away looking into coding them lol

 

[Scrooge]

The coding thing is handy if your swapping them for the c4 items

 

[Macester]

no one knows if the c4 items will work yet do they? think magnastik was looking into it, he is definitely looking into something in his updates in his project thread.

 

[Scrooge]

Its the same delphi system I believe so can't see why not

 

[stevo040880]

I am considering changing to a diesel but want to stick with a clio as I love my current one.

I have about £4000 to spend if I do eventually go for one, are there better ones out there and ones with a bad reputation?

I would rather have a mk2 ph2 model instead of the larger newer models.

If you want you can have mine for £4000 lol

 

[Macester]

Its the same delphi system I believe so can't see why not

Yeah I think they need to be coded to the car, so that the ecu knows the flow rate or each injector so it knows how much fuel to pump through. I just hope that the ecu can go to a higher flow rate than standard items, probably need a remap for the c4 injectors. and also hope that the pump would be alright with it, dont want to put too much pressure on it.

 

[Magic Johnson]

Thanks guys! How would I refurbish the injectors then?

 

[Scrooge]

Pump may be able to be swapped with the c4 one if the mounts and pully are fetteled with. And I imagine a remap would be needed.

 

[stevo040880]

The coding thing is handy if your swapping them for the c4 items

Seen this mentioned a few times just one question nobody i has ever said which model c4 hdi 1.6 hdi 2.0 guessing there different ?

 

[Scrooge]

Thanks guys! How would I refurbish the injectors then?

They would need to be taken to a diesel/injector specialist mate

 

[Magic Johnson]

They would need to be taken to a diesel/injector specialist mate

And it's £80 each? So basically £320?

 

[Scrooge]

Yes usually. Just contacted delphi fuel systems and waiting to hear back from them about higher performiung injectors

 

[Magic Johnson]

Can you just refurb the faulty one or do they all need done?

EDIT: Ignore this lol. Will they rape me on cost trying to figure out which one needs a refurb?

 

[Scrooge]

Its just safer to refurb them all mj

 

[Macester]

Seen this mentioned a few times just one question nobody i has ever said which model c4 hdi 1.6 hdi 2.0 guessing there different ?

I thought it was out of the 1.4 model:

http://www.dieseljones.co.uk/common...-16v-delphi-common-rail-injector-r01001a.html

I think some newer citroens run bosch systems, need to know more about it. wonder if theres a citroenhdi.net haha

@Magic, thats why you could do with a decent diagnostic so you know which one(s) are failing. Depends on how expensive it is for the refurb whether to get them all done.

 

[Magic Johnson]

It was low pressure fuel rail or something like that, and speedo?

What if it isn't the injectors? And I pay to get them all done?

*weeps*

 

[Scrooge]

Its usaully when the washer is letting out compression and when the injectors get blocked up with crap you can usually the injector or injectors that have failed anyway you can usually see which ones have gone

 

[Magic Johnson]

Guys, thanks so much for your help, mucho appreciated.

I'll let y'all know what the specialists think. Cheers!

 

[Macester]

yeah could do with checking them, you might be able to see some signs so you can see which ones need sorting. worth a shot, depends how confident you are of doing it. Dont want to make it worse.

@dci 80, found this on the web: http://www.merlindiesel.com/media/productdoc365.pdf

delphi document saying what they put in every diesel engine they have made, check half way down document, should see the list. might come in handy for something.

 

[Scrooge]

Macester, cheers Ill download that when I get on my laptop that will be handy.

 

[Magic Johnson]

Booked into the specialists tomorrow. He says new ones will need to be put in, at a cost of £130 each, coding is cheap and labour is cheaper.

I asked if he could just find out what one is faulty and he said no problem. So it's booked in tomorrow @ 9am.

 

[riz]

is the dci 80 much worse than the 100?

 

[Macester]

good move, at least a specialist will look at it and won't give you the sort of crap excuses like a cowboy would. I went to a specialist when mine was randomly cutting out, he found it was some wires corroded from the ecu to the injectors, due to the wet weather. If i went anywhere else they would have charged me for a whole new loom for sure.

good luck with it and i hope its not too costly!

 

[Macester]

is the dci 80 much worse than the 100?

the differences are here: http://www.cliodci.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=54&sid=a076e5986d0f4503e2a3bca9b03b9bb7

or do you mean reliability?

 

[Magic Johnson]

good move, at least a specialist will look at it and won't give you the sort of crap excuses like a cowboy would. I went to a specialist when mine was randomly cutting out, he found it was some wires corroded from the ecu to the injectors, due to the wet weather. If i went anywhere else they would have charged me for a whole new loom for sure.

good luck with it and i hope its not too costly!

Cheers! I'll let y'all know how I get on. Fingers crossed for me! When I phoned the garage back up he was telling me how big a job the injectors was etc I was like yep I understand, thanks, I'll book it in next week desperately need the car back lol.

 

[riz]

the differences are here: http://www.cliodci.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=54&sid=a076e5986d0f4503e2a3bca9b03b9bb7

or do you mean reliability?

I mean in ownership, speed etc

 

[Scrooge]

Booked into the specialists tomorrow. He says new ones will need to be put in, at a cost of £130 each, coding is cheap and labour is cheaper.

I asked if he could just find out what one is faulty and he said no problem. So it's booked in tomorrow @ 9am.

It won't just be one mate at least two I reckon with the problems your having

 

[riz]

I mean in ownership, speed etc

any help? between a DCi 80 and 100?

 

[Magic Johnson]

Ownership = depends how well it's been looked after

Thanks to Macester for this info:

80 bhp -
Blue I in the word DCI on the sidestrip.
Large Intercooler located infront of the radiator.
Injectors 15% more efficient than 65's.
Slightly different turbo to 65 (5435 970 0002 Borg warner K series).
JC5 gearbox pretty much same as 2.0 16v. From 2004 onwards JH3 and JR5 boxes were also fitted.
Engine code - K9K 702
OVAL PLATE CB08


100 bhp -
Blue CI in the word DCI on the sidestrip.
Small fat intercooler (17% more efficient than 80 ic). Located infront of the radiator at the bottom.
Same injectors as 80.
Same fuel pump as 65 & 80 but runs at 1600 bar (65 & 80 1400 bar).
Again, more efficient turbo (5439 970 0030 Borg warner K series)
Different block and head and different injection set up to 65 & 80 with the 100 having a stronger crank, stronger rods and pistons.
Inlets on the head are bigger, different cam and ex manifold.
Gearstick, reverse is down and right as opposed to up and left with the lift.
Gearbox is a JR5 120.
Engine code - K9K 712.
OVAL PLATE CB2G

 

[Fletcher]

My GF is after a frugal diesel, these look quite appealing TBH.

 

[Magic Johnson]

Unless she does 10miles + a day, they aren't worth it.

 

[Fletcher]

Unless she does 10miles + a day, they aren't worth it.

She does about 15k a year on average.

 

[Magic Johnson]

That'll do nicely then. Previous owner was doing 2 miles per day and it's pretty much f*cked my car.

 

[Fletcher]

That'll do nicely then. Previous owner was doing 2 miles per day and it's pretty much f*cked my car.

Yep, cars hate short journeys

 

[Magic Johnson]

is the dci 80 much worse than the 100?

None of them are bad. In what respect do you mean worse?

 

[riz]

None of them are bad. In what respect do you mean worse?

sorry i mean speed

 

[Magic Johnson]

Not sure, obviously the DCi 100 will be faster but not by much. Mapped though you'll see 110-115bph / 115-125bhp respectively (iirc).

Torque 180 / 190 respectively (again iirc).

But why would you buy a diesel for speed?

 

[riz]

Not sure, obviously the DCi 100 will be faster but not by much. Mapped though you'll see 110-115bph / 115-125bhp respectively (iirc).

Torque 180 / 190 respectively (again iirc).

But why would you buy a diesel for speed?

Lol well not speed, but if im going to buy one i may buy a quicker one!!