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IMO its worth having the 182 over the 172 (ive owned both)
it cant be changed to 182 spec for sensible money so i wouldnt bother.
differences are exhaust system, wheels, tyres (182 runs 205s instead of 195s) suspension, gear ratios, headlamps have grey instead of black surrounds, seatbelts are silver not black, interior dash trims are satin silver rather than patterned silver, seats have silver lining behind the perforations in the alcantara rather than charcoal colour, all 182s have cruise, esp and traction whereas some 172s dont (maily pre53 platers) erm all i can remember at the mo but bound to be more ive forgotten.
tiTTy & SV650
some UK supllied mk2 172s had a 6 disc changer as standard under the passenger seat, the 182 doesnt have this luxury.
also 182s dont have a spare wheel because the exhausts run straight through where itd go. So you get a couple of cans of tyre sealant as with a lot of new cars.
Remapped derv Golf
182s seem to go wrong left right and centre!
193 mk2
well as far as i can tell its mainly the exhaust manifold, on the 172s its not very good and quite restrictive. on the 182 they changed it for a much better 1,& on the cups & 182s the suspension setup is better, im not sure if they changed the gear ratios but someone up there said they did so they may well have!
2005 Impreza WRX STI
get a 172 and make it a 192 for less than buying a 182
well am gues he means u can get a 172 for 1-1.5 k cheaper then a 182 so theres the BBR Morego 182 upgrade kit for around that price
dont see why it carnt go on a 172
http://www.autocar.co.uk/FirstDrive_Summary.asp?RT_ID=216521http://www.autocar.co.uk/FirstDrive_Summary.asp?RT_ID=216521
Lots of Alfas
This shows the main mechanical differences over a 172:
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/Davebem/04clio18209.jpg
[Edited by davebem on 21 August 2005 at 11:27pm]
len_beach
ClioSport Club Member
E92 M3,172 track car
So 172-182:
Twin outlet exhaust that removes the spare wheel-A bit gay really.
Widened front and rear tracks-This effect can be achieved with new alloys with a different offset.
Revised front suspension/re-rated suspension/strengthened rear suspension-A decent spring/damper setup can give the same if not better performance?
Wider, new generation tyres-New alloys again?
24mm anti-roll bar-This sounds like a good off the shelf mod. Any info?
3y exhaust manifold-Again, another good off the shelf mod.
So if I was realistically looking for a circa 200bhp 172 with a 30-40mm drop on 16/17s without destroying the handling, what would I need?
Slightly off topic, I would just like to say how impressed I am with the nature of this forum. Members are forthcoming with info and specs. I have not been shot down as I put it earlier for covering old ground and there seems to be a wealth of knowledge in here.
Top marks.
Suzuki SV650
Quote: Originally posted by len_beach on 22 August 2005
So 172-182:
Twin outlet exhaust that removes the spare wheel-A bit gay really. I think it looks cool, but then again it depends if ur a bit gay or not lol...
Widened front and rear tracks-This effect can be achieved with new alloys with a different offset. Aye I think so? Ive got 182 wheels on my 172.. dont know much about this thou am no expert on it.
Revised front suspension/re-rated suspension/strengthened rear suspension-A decent spring/damper setup can give the same if not better performance? Eibach springs dont lower the car by much and are apparently really good. Or you could get coilovers!
Wider, new generation tyres-New alloys again? The profiles on the new 182s are 205/45/16 unlike 195/45/16 on the 172, so an extra 10mm of tread! The Michelin PE2s were also developed specifically for the 182 with Cup packs/182 Cup/Trophy. Stiffer sidewall, they grip well too, I have em :O)
24mm anti-roll bar-This sounds like a good off the shelf mod. Any info? f**k knows.
3y exhaust manifold-Again, another good off the shelf mod. 182 manifold is better than the 172 one, but you can still fit the 182 manifold onto the 172. Think the 182 manifold is a 4-2-1 and the 172 manifold is just 4-1...
So if I was realistically looking for a circa 200bhp 172 with a 30-40mm drop on 16/17s without destroying the handling, what would I need? Ind.kit, exhaust, 182 manifold, inlet work, remap, not sure what else. Cams at a last guess, or throttle bodies
Slightly off topic, I would just like to say how impressed I am with the nature of this forum. Members are forthcoming with info and specs. I have not been shot down as I put it earlier for covering old ground and there seems to be a wealth of knowledge in here. Were all just really sad and have nothing better to do with our lives, but thanks :O)
Top marks.
Quote: Originally posted by StevieP on 22 August 2005
Quote: Originally posted by len_beach on 22 August 2005
So 172-182:
Twin outlet exhaust that removes the spare wheel-A bit gay really. I think it looks cool, but then again it depends if ur a bit gay or not lol...
Widened front and rear tracks-This effect can be achieved with new alloys with a different offset. Aye I think so? Ive got 182 wheels on my 172.. dont know much about this thou am no expert on it.
The 182s track is widened by the suspension NOT the wheels, the 182 wheels are actually a higher offset (ie spacer further in) than 172 wheels. If you want to widen the track on a 172 fit cup alloys, fitting 182 wheels to a 172 will actually make the track narrower.
Revised front suspension/re-rated suspension/strengthened rear suspension-A decent spring/damper setup can give the same if not better performance? Eibach springs dont lower the car by much and are apparently really good. Or you could get coilovers!
Id personally opt for a set of H&R coilovers if you are looking to improve the 172.
Wider, new generation tyres-New alloys again? The profiles on the new 182s are 205/45/16 unlike 195/45/16 on the 172, so an extra 10mm of tread! The Michelin PE2s were also developed specifically for the 182 with Cup packs/182 Cup/Trophy. Stiffer sidewall, they grip well too, I have em :O)
24mm anti-roll bar-This sounds like a good off the shelf mod. Any info? f**k knows.
I would say youd probably need the 182 rollbar and mounting rubbers/brackets to upgrade to this but without comparing the two on Renaults parts disc its hard to say.
3y exhaust manifold-Again, another good off the shelf mod. 182 manifold is better than the 172 one, but you can still fit the 182 manifold onto the 172. Think the 182 manifold is a 4-2-1 and the 172 manifold is just 4-1...
yup but its a subframe/engine out job and IIRC about 6 hours to fit so not cheap once youve added the labour !
So if I was realistically looking for a circa 200bhp 172 with a 30-40mm drop on 16/17s without destroying the handling, what would I need? Ind.kit, exhaust, 182 manifold, inlet work, remap, not sure what else. Cams at a last guess, or throttle bodies
Slightly off topic, I would just like to say how impressed I am with the nature of this forum. Members are forthcoming with info and specs. I have not been shot down as I put it earlier for covering old ground and there seems to be a wealth of knowledge in here. Were all just really sad and have nothing better to do with our lives, but thanks :O)
Top marks.
Tom
ClioSport Club Member
EV (s)
Theres a PDF document on http://www.renault.comwww.renault.com that explains the changes.
There are many that people dont even realise.
Longer wheelbase, different gearbox.
Actually ive found them for you, http://www.renault.com/presse/detail.cfm?langue=2&id=6586&id_rub=205http://www.renault.com/presse/detail.cfm?langue=2&id=6586&id_rub=205
len_beach
ClioSport Club Member
E92 M3,172 track car
Thats perfect Tom. Many thanks.
cupking: I had thought about a Cup but I dont think I could do without my luxuries (Leather, Air Con, ABS
). I dont think I could justify their loss either as Im not really looking for an all out track car, more a comfortable car capable of teaching chavs a few lessonsLoony/StevieP: That list should give me something to research now. Many thanks.
I reckon with about 1.5k spent I could have the 172 pretty much where I want it.
Tom
ClioSport Club Member
EV (s)
Im gonna get a slap for this, but the changes on the 182 have had more development time and they but a bit more thought into them.
id say the 182 is a better car because of this, they didnt just slap wider wheels on it and throw everything out. Its much less of a comprimise.
MKIII 138
the 172 is built better than the 182 with more expensive parts that they took out for money saving or they just ran out and used some 1.2 trim.
imo the seats are worse, the carbon finish isnt as good, the handbreak doesnt have the metal bit, and in general i think the 182 was just made to boost flagging sales until the new model arrives.
however its faster and handles better. but the exhaust look silly and there is no spare wheel. in fact you can make your 1110 172 1090 like the 182 by removing the spare wheel and kit i weighed it at approx 20kgs.
Remapped derv Golf
If you want tune and modify get a Cup.
Weeman sucks ****
I found quite a difference in mine and the 182 cup when I did Oulton Park. I took my mates 182 cup out then drove the Trophy which felt different to that.
My 172 cup does feel rawer/rougher round the edges (which I dont mind at all) and the 182 a bit more stable although not many of them have high miles on them enough to be run in like mine so will probably feel even better when they get to 40,000 miles. Same goes with the trophy which actually felt like a bigger car and a bit more stable and safer. Quite odd how 3 variants can feel quite different.
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