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I did last night, left a message for him but he didnt return my call.
What would you recommend Fred?
Customer service seems a pit patchy with AST I'm not looking forward to getting mine serviced.
First bad word I've heard about them
its a case of there's nothing else available in that price bracket so you have to buy them type affair
for racing - our Bilstein PSS10 (modified cup racer suspension basically) but its £2-£2.5K depending on options, that's cheap when you price up "proper" stuff from proflex, moton etc
track days - B14, H&R, KW
road - standard shocks with lowering springs
for racing - our Bilstein PSS10 (modified cup racer suspension basically) but its £2-£2.5K depending on options, that's cheap when you price up "proper" stuff from proflex, moton etc
track days - B14, H&R, KW
road - standard shocks with lowering springs
My car's not a race car, never will be.
I just wanted something of good quality, makes the car sit nice, good back up service should something go wrong and can be adjusted if I want to go for a spirited drive.
Ive learnt my lession in buying the Spax kit so wont make the same mistake twice.
I just wanted something of good quality, makes the car sit nice, good back up service should something go wrong and can be adjusted if I want to go for a spirited drive.
Ive learnt my lession in buying the Spax kit so wont make the same mistake twice.
So would you spend £750 odd no those rather than £995 for the ASTs?
p@blo
ClioSport Club Member
Clio/A3
In what way are they miles off Fred? Don't they now offer three different out of the box spring rate/shim options to suit a number of different applications? Failing that, don't they build & ship to whatever spec you want?
Do you get the same out of the box options with the likes of B14, H&R, KW? If these three suggestions are so capable out of the box, why is it that none of the guys are racing with them?
Playing devils advocate, it doesn't really seem a like for like criticism Fred.
AST are available with a much softer (250lb versus about 400lb people normally have IIRC but Im sure Josh can confirm exact figures) front setup if its for a mix of road and occasional trackday, so if you specify that at the time you order them, they should be fine out of the box for that use.
Most people though go for the trackday or race setup, which is much firmer and a bit too track focussed for a road car doing a lot of miles etc.
The customer service when you have a problem with them is ok, Josh/Curtis are good at sorting out rebuilds etc if required, the bad thing is just that these are made to order in the first place.
So essentially the opposite of the spax, in that these are hard to get hold of but fine to maintain after, where as the spax everyone has boxes of them in stock, but cant help much when they go wrong.
Josh runs cooksport part time, so has a lack of time to commit to getting back to people instantly etc, if you want that sort of service, pay 1400 quid and buy the AST from Kam racing, or if you can handle someone juggling about sorting them out a price that makes him naff all profit as he mentioned in the other thread but he does largely to help people out then pay far less from him but dont expect big business customer service as thats not what he is, he's just a racer using his influence to do people on here a favour with those is the impression I get.
Most people though go for the trackday or race setup, which is much firmer and a bit too track focussed for a road car doing a lot of miles etc.
The customer service when you have a problem with them is ok, Josh/Curtis are good at sorting out rebuilds etc if required, the bad thing is just that these are made to order in the first place.
So essentially the opposite of the spax, in that these are hard to get hold of but fine to maintain after, where as the spax everyone has boxes of them in stock, but cant help much when they go wrong.
Josh runs cooksport part time, so has a lack of time to commit to getting back to people instantly etc, if you want that sort of service, pay 1400 quid and buy the AST from Kam racing, or if you can handle someone juggling about sorting them out a price that makes him naff all profit as he mentioned in the other thread but he does largely to help people out then pay far less from him but dont expect big business customer service as thats not what he is, he's just a racer using his influence to do people on here a favour with those is the impression I get.
Thanks for your input chip, I do around 3k per year in my car.
I dont expect someone at the end of the phone to drop everything to sort my problem's out (hope I dont have any with the AST) but if there is a problem then I do want to be able for it to be addressed and not be given the run around.
Ill give him another call and put my questions to josh.
Do you think that the Sportline 2 are ott for a road car?
I dont expect someone at the end of the phone to drop everything to sort my problem's out (hope I dont have any with the AST) but if there is a problem then I do want to be able for it to be addressed and not be given the run around.
Ill give him another call and put my questions to josh.
Do you think that the Sportline 2 are ott for a road car?
In what way are they miles off Fred? Don't they now offer three different out of the box spring rate/shim options to suit a number of different applications? Failing that, don't they build & ship to whatever spec you want?
Do you get the same out of the box options with the likes of B14, H&R, KW? If these three suggestions are so capable out of the box, why is it that none of the guys are racing with them?
Playing devils advocate, it doesn't really seem a like for like criticism Fred.
did not know they offered 3 different options, its about bloody time!!
everyone is racing with AST's because they fit a semi sensible price/performance bracket, go and fit £5K's worth of Proflex and they'll be 3sec per lap quicker, but is that sensible for a club racer? No
Pity you don't offer them anymore, I spoke to Bilstein about making them for me but from what I could tell they wanted you to push them through manufacture again after Yozza seised trading.
I think the sportline 2 are only worth it over the 1 if you are racing probably mate, the difference is pretty marginal in performance its more about unspring weight and even then its not a huge difference, you'd gain far more with lighter wheels etc.
Thanks for that mate, just answered the exact question I asked Josh!
Sorry mate, missed this question.
AST Sportline 1 Ive just bought secondhand from Kelv, they were great on his car but havent tried them on the turbo yet, might put them on the mrs daily though as we have a trackday in a few weeks and I fancy giving them a try out and its a pretty quick job to swap over.
Well if he gives you a different answer, take more notice of him than me, he's the racer, im just a trackday queen, lol.
Im sure he can spot subtle differences in handling that I cant!
we do LOL
p@blo
ClioSport Club Member
Clio/A3
Absolutely, for what you get for the money it seems to tick the box for the club guys. The modularity on the ASTs gives the option to retrofit their external canisters to make them 3-way at a later date aswell.
Noticed the guy with the nippy red Saxo (Wood/Ward?) in the French Trophy at Oulton was running the external reservoirs on his sportline 2 the other week.
Well you didn't as I spoke to you around a year ago, by phone and PM. And then I went and tried to force Bilstein to make them
They just wanted you's (still thought Yozzasport was trading at that point) to be the one that pushed the kit, maybe that was their reasoning.
They were a bit useless to me in that case but they put me onto Ohlins who have 2 or 3 way inserts that slot straight into billie casings.
They were a bit useless to me in that case but they put me onto Ohlins who have 2 or 3 way inserts that slot straight into billie casings.
I got my AST's yesturday
Happy so far mate?
Picts?
I wont be using my car now untill the weather gets better so thats fine.
green
ClioSport Club Member
Hi comp phase 1
I'm very happy I've finally got them and the quality Is very good. I've just got to get them fitted with some other up grades I've got (cup wish bones/182 roll bar and hopefully the roll centre group buy) can't wait sould be a great set up. Just got to get the car back from the garage as I've had a bit of a saga with M.O.T and hand brake cables
If you don't mind waiting go for it.
Sorry, Not to sure how to post pics as I'm on phone.
If you don't mind waiting go for it.
Sorry, Not to sure how to post pics as I'm on phone.
What did you go for mate, 1's or 2's?I got my AST's yesturday
