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Disgusted with Renault!



VIICarCare

ClioSport Club Member
  255, 230, 172, R26
Dear Sir

Re Renault Clio 197 LR08VZV
Ref No. 1-143151101

I am writing this letter following my recent telephone call to Renault UK who I rang on 15th August and spoke to Susan Burns, about my problems I am having with my car.
It’s bad enough that the front seat covers’ fabric has started to bobble and wear after only three weeks of ownership, which I know is not the wear and tear of getting in and out of the car and there is also an intermittent problem with the clutch. I was very patient waiting to take delivery of my new vehicle. I was originally told by the garage that I would be waiting a month and a half, but it turned out to be three months!
I have owned the car since 15th June and three weeks later the clutch failed. As I change gear the revs spike past 4500 revs and there is no power. The supplying dealer, DGL Garages of High Wycombe, could not find a fault, so I had the car back.
Then on 12th August I noticed it didn’t feel right. It did exactly the same thing, as I drove it the worse it got and I eventually found a safe place (as a lone female driver) where I could stop. I called out the AA as I was not happy to drive it any further in that condition. Now the dealer has it back, and is in the process of replacing the clutch and fly-wheel.
After the first incident with the clutch I spoke to Clare Docherty at Renault Uk, who has now apparently left. I explained it all and when she asked how Renault can compensate for this problem as it was quite unacceptable on a new car, I asked if I could have the Renault Sport front splitter and side skirts and she said “I can’t see that being a problem” and would look into it. She then asked me to ring her back and let her know if the matter had been resolved. I had the car back as they found no fault, I let Clare know and we left it at that.
I contacted Renault UK on 15th August and spoke to Susan Burns and explained the problem yet again. She said all Renault could offer me is cheque of £75. When I told Susan about my conversation I had with Clare about the side skirts and splitter, she said Clare hadn’t put anything about it on the system. I have now been without my car for over a week.
I find the offer of a £75 cheque quite insulting. This kind of unreliability is unacceptable on a new car: you would not expect the seat covers to wear after just three weeks, let alone the clutch! I am a Renault Sport enthusiast and I am a loyal customer being on my third Clio. I am now questioning the build quality of Renault cars, and my enthusiasm for the car has been severely diminished. I am extremely unhappy and feel let down.
In my opinion, the least you could do for me is give the front splitter and side skirts as compensation for making what should have been a joyful experience, a nightmare and cause me to question whether my decision to purchase the 197 was a correct one. Was it really worth the long and overdue wait?
Yours faithfully


Dawn Couch



Dear Miss Couch

Thank you for your email.

Further to our conversation 15 August following your visit into DGL garages regarding the clutch fault on your Clio Sport 197, I wish to offer a response to the points raised directly from your email.

You have mentioned the fact you feel inconvenienced initially by the 2-4 week delay on the delivery on your vehicle and then having to bring your vehicle into the dealer on several separate visits in the space of a few weeks with the fault on the clutch only occurring on the 2nd attempt. I can only apologise that this has happened but I have every faith that once a fault does occur, our specialised dealer network will be able to repair it as quickly and effectively as possible.

While I can understand your feelings with regard to the vehicle’s reliability, please rest assured that at Renault UK, we pride ourselves on the excellence of our products and the expertise found within our dealer network so I would like to assure you we have every faith in putting your vehicle right within the warranty period to ensure trouble free motoring at a later date.

I have reviewed your previous case with Claire Dockery and that you had asked Renault UK for a goodwill gesture to the value of side skirts and front splits to be added to your vehicle for your convenience. As Claire has left the company and we have no record of this being investigated or authorised, we cannot provide these items free of charge. I am sorry you feel misled but as we did discuss before, I can offer you £75 that you can put towards these items should you so wish.

The reasons behind us not offering you a greater contribution is that you vehicle is only 2 months old and as such, will be covered under the Renault warranty for another 2 years 10 months. I apologise on behalf on Renault for the delay on said clutch repair on your vehicle, we would not like this to be the experience our customers should have to endure. This is why we feel that £75 would be more then generous in this instance and we will keep this offer open until the end of this month, should you wish to accept.

Whilst I can appreciate this was not the response you were seeking but we do endeavour to help customers as much as is possible and customer satisfaction is paramount at all times. This said, it will not always be possible to satisfy every customer’s expectation as is what’s happened here. Please do not hesitate in contacting me back on customer.services@renault.co.uk or call us on free phone 0800 072 33 72 during the hours of 0830 – 1800, Monday to Friday.



Yours sincerely


Susan Burns
Consultant

Am i being unreasonable?
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  172 Cup
Its not proof if its not written down or logged, so them saying you could have the splitter and skirts then saying no is bad luck. Try and go higher in the chain than susan burns? Write to watchdog? or take the 75? Its what your happy with really!
 
  clio 172
asking for alot od moneys worth imo...

but i would start saying stuff like...'not fit for purpose, and unsafe... then say ya want ya money back..and state that you are looking at getting legal advice....
 
  197
Dear Sir

Re Renault Clio 197 LR08VZV
Ref No. 1-143151101

I am writing this letter following my recent telephone call to Renault UK who I rang on 15th August and spoke to Susan Burns, about my problems I am having with my car.
It’s bad enough that the front seat covers’ fabric has started to bobble and wear after only three weeks of ownership, which I know is not the wear and tear of getting in and out of the car and there is also an intermittent problem with the clutch. I was very patient waiting to take delivery of my new vehicle. I was originally told by the garage that I would be waiting a month and a half, but it turned out to be three months!
I have owned the car since 15th June and three weeks later the clutch failed. As I change gear the revs spike past 4500 revs and there is no power. The supplying dealer, DGL Garages of High Wycombe, could not find a fault, so I had the car back.
Then on 12th August I noticed it didn’t feel right. It did exactly the same thing, as I drove it the worse it got and I eventually found a safe place (as a lone female driver) where I could stop. I called out the AA as I was not happy to drive it any further in that condition. Now the dealer has it back, and is in the process of replacing the clutch and fly-wheel.
After the first incident with the clutch I spoke to Clare Docherty at Renault Uk, who has now apparently left. I explained it all and when she asked how Renault can compensate for this problem as it was quite unacceptable on a new car, I asked if I could have the Renault Sport front splitter and side skirts and she said “I can’t see that being a problem” and would look into it. She then asked me to ring her back and let her know if the matter had been resolved. I had the car back as they found no fault, I let Clare know and we left it at that.
I contacted Renault UK on 15th August and spoke to Susan Burns and explained the problem yet again. She said all Renault could offer me is cheque of £75. When I told Susan about my conversation I had with Clare about the side skirts and splitter, she said Clare hadn’t put anything about it on the system. I have now been without my car for over a week.
I find the offer of a £75 cheque quite insulting. This kind of unreliability is unacceptable on a new car: you would not expect the seat covers to wear after just three weeks, let alone the clutch! I am a Renault Sport enthusiast and I am a loyal customer being on my third Clio. I am now questioning the build quality of Renault cars, and my enthusiasm for the car has been severely diminished. I am extremely unhappy and feel let down.
In my opinion, the least you could do for me is give the front splitter and side skirts as compensation for making what should have been a joyful experience, a nightmare and cause me to question whether my decision to purchase the 197 was a correct one. Was it really worth the long and overdue wait?
Yours faithfully


Dawn Couch


Dear Miss Couch

Thank you for your email.

Further to our conversation 15 August following your visit into DGL garages regarding the clutch fault on your Clio Sport 197, I wish to offer a response to the points raised directly from your email.

You have mentioned the fact you feel inconvenienced initially by the 2-4 week delay on the delivery on your vehicle and then having to bring your vehicle into the dealer on several separate visits in the space of a few weeks with the fault on the clutch only occurring on the 2nd attempt. I can only apologise that this has happened but I have every faith that once a fault does occur, our specialised dealer network will be able to repair it as quickly and effectively as possible.

While I can understand your feelings with regard to the vehicle’s reliability, please rest assured that at Renault UK, we pride ourselves on the excellence of our products and the expertise found within our dealer network so I would like to assure you we have every faith in putting your vehicle right within the warranty period to ensure trouble free motoring at a later date.

I have reviewed your previous case with Claire Dockery and that you had asked Renault UK for a goodwill gesture to the value of side skirts and front splits to be added to your vehicle for your convenience. As Claire has left the company and we have no record of this being investigated or authorised, we cannot provide these items free of charge. I am sorry you feel misled but as we did discuss before, I can offer you £75 that you can put towards these items should you so wish.

The reasons behind us not offering you a greater contribution is that you vehicle is only 2 months old and as such, will be covered under the Renault warranty for another 2 years 10 months. I apologise on behalf on Renault for the delay on said clutch repair on your vehicle, we would not like this to be the experience our customers should have to endure. This is why we feel that £75 would be more then generous in this instance and we will keep this offer open until the end of this month, should you wish to accept.

Whilst I can appreciate this was not the response you were seeking but we do endeavour to help customers as much as is possible and customer satisfaction is paramount at all times. This said, it will not always be possible to satisfy every customer’s expectation as is what’s happened here. Please do not hesitate in contacting me back on customer.services@renault.co.uk or call us on free phone 0800 072 33 72 during the hours of 0830 – 1800, Monday to Friday.



Yours sincerely
Susan Burns
Consultant

Am i being unreasonable?
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Honestly, yes and no. Renault only see you as a number, not a customer. Do you really think that they really care about one customer? I know it sounds harsh and nasty, but they really dont care. I only say this as i used to work for them, and i had a lot of dealings with RUK. I think the offer of £75 is a bit too low to be honest, especially with the current credit crunch, but to expect them to pay for a splitter and side skirts might be a bit too much, id say maybe a cheque for £125-£150 would be good.

toon
 
  172 Cup
Well watchdog loved the old Ph2 bonnet problem didnt they! Put the sh!ts right up Renault! Find someone with the same problem and you'll be laughing I reckon! Im never buying a renault again i dont think, I'll take summit german, as i dislike the French anyway! lol

How much is the splitter/sideskirts?
 
  R26 F1
They must recognise that there is some sort of problem or they wouldnt have offered you any compensation at all!
Are they going to replace the seats for you?
 
  RB 200 Cup!
i can def see your point of view dawn - id be mega pissed at having a new car that doesnt work properly.

i say really kick up a stink
 

Martin_172

ClioSport Club Member
tbh i think asking for sideskirts and splitter is a bit too much, no way would they give you that as you would then get chancers doing it all the time!

i do agree that £75 is a bit low but to be honest they are quite right, you still have a full warranty left to have any problems sorted out free of charge.
 
if everything is being fixed under warranty i guess £75 isnt bad, perhaps light, maybe suggest ask for £100 but while there will be a large right up on the parts i cant see you getting the skirts/splitter from them, if that person who you spoke to has left they may have been demob happy and not giving a s**t.
 
  1998 BMW e46 323i
I've dealt with Susan Burns before, and she seems ok TBH. She followed stuff up and rang back etc.Doesn't help your situation much, I know. However, she does make a good point about your warranty. The length of the warranty is misleading tho, I've found dealerships unwilling to replace items at fault in the third and final year. Furthermore when they can't find a fault, they can hardly fix it, warranty or not.

But to put things in context, when I had a BMW I was at the dealers picking up some parts. The guy ahead of me in the queue was picking up his drug dealer special limited edition M3 following a service (not that I'm bitter). The BMW staff mentioned while the car was there they'd found the nappa leather on his seat to have worn, and they'd replaced it for him! He hadn't asked, he'd not even noticed the wear, and just paid for the service and took his keys.

This is why I get really pee'd off with bad customer service. We expect poor service, and are usually right in doing so from RUK. Have they sorted your seats?
 
  Family Bus
Id email back asking for at least a hundred, but if the problems on your car dont get fixed Id return it tbh. You are right that you shouldnt have these problems on a new car, and it must be extremely frustrating for you!

Good luck , hope you get it sorted out.
 
  320d
tbh i think your a scank.

begging for free parts. :S

classy.


I think she's completely in order. Its people like you that let companys like Renault get away with providing crap service. What would you do in her situation then?
 
  Add me 2 ur PS3 - Lylak
I wouldn't expect new parts as a good will gesture. If it was just a clutch failure then I'd let them have the chance to repair it, as long as I had a like for like courtesy car whilst my clio was in for repair.

However, as your seats are bobbling up after 2 months, I'd reject the car and demand a replacement.
 
  Datsun
It sounds as though they're addressing the issues under warranty. Offering £75 seems more than fair to me.

Make sure you get new seats & the clutch sorted and make sure you get a suitable courtesy car. Don't see there's much else they can do tbh.
 
  Clive the Clio no. 2
similar thing happened with my new mk3

the seats bobbled, and the cat went, and the rear fog light went.

i rang RUK and they have been good so far, they have offered to replace everything under warrenty, they had a look and they also noticed my glove box was hanging, so they have offered to replace that, i didnt even realise. and they noticed that there was a deep paint scratch where i lifted my wipers without realising that they scratched the paint, and they have also offered to do that aswell for free.

bad thing is that they cant replace the rear fog light under warrenty, as its classed as "wear and tear" so i had to get that myself.

Just need to book it in, havent really got the time. need my car!
 

Ali

  V6, Trackhawk, GTS
Your not unique in having problems and that is what warrenty is for...Asking for skirts and a spoiler is a bit over eager...But 75£ is no use to man or beast, that would even cover the hassle value.

Shitty reply e-mail tbh, usual post sales patter. Keep all communication on file!
 
  Clio 200
i would be hitting them with the not fit for purpose, sales supply act (i love it :p) consumer protection act blah blah and tell them that you want a full refund or all faults fixed including a new front seat with a suitable hire car and a generous good will gesture since you have just spent a large amount of money with them
 

Martin_172

ClioSport Club Member
It sounds as though they're addressing the issues under warranty. Offering £75 seems more than fair to me.

i agree with weebaws, as long as you've been supplyed with a suitable car while yours is being repaired so your not inconvienienced, uve came off £75 better off tbh

and id make sure the seats are replaced under warranty as you know yourself that is NOT wear and tear
 
  Mini Cooper S sport
I think that expecting side skirts and splitter is maybe a bit much. Yes it's been a pain but they are sorting your problems under warranty, and it seems that you just need a new clutch and new seats. Things do go wrong, it's what the warranty's for.

You just need to make sure you get a courtesy car, and yours isn't returned until it's all been fixed to the standard you'd expect.

£75 is a bit tight but it's better than nothing. I'd accept it TBH.
 
  clio dci
tbh i think your a scank.

begging for free parts. :S

classy.

Lmfao, legend!

Ok your car is acting up and your righ tyou deserve to be compensated, but why are you so special? They will have a guideline on a £75 bursery payment for people with claims. take it and be grateful!
The others are right if your unhappy with the goods take it back and ask for a replacement car or a full refund! that or when it is back kick the nackers off it so you get everything replaced in 3 yrs :approve:
 
  172 Cup
I don't think you helped your case by asking for a splitter and side skirts to be honest. To a third party that comes across as premeditated and you're simply after some parts to "tart up" your car rather than genuinely after compensation for the hassle you've experienced.

Personally I wouldn't have asked for, or mentioned, any amounts when making the initial contact and put the onus on Renault to come back with a figure.

I'd accept the £75 in this case and learn a lesson for next time (being a Renault there will be a next time).
 
  williams 2 turbo
i'd return it and get a refund, under tading standards, it's not fit for the purpose. ither buy another one, or get something different. renault seem only to eager to take your money, just dont want to give it back. as for 75 quid, i'd stuff that right up their arse!
 
whoops not allowed an opinion again.

i don't think I'm out of order. As the renault employee said. They fixed it didn't they? thats what warranties are for. if every time something broke on a car and people went fishing for free stuff, there would be nothing left!!!!
 
  BMW F21 125d
Renault Customer Service Line or whatever it was you called, is likely to record all calls for quality/training periods, I can see no harm in asking for a copy of your original call, which will audibly show where they agreed to provide the side skirts etc....
 
  197
Renault Customer Service Line or whatever it was you called, is likely to record all calls for quality/training periods, I can see no harm in asking for a copy of your original call, which will audibly show where they agreed to provide the side skirts etc....

according to the original post, they didnt agree to provide the side skirts and splitter. I belive she said "i cant see that being a problem", true this kinda says that she will be getting them, but it sounds more like " i wanna get you off the phone, so im gonna say watever to get you off the phone. Why should i care, im leaving soon"

toon
 
  M135i
It sounds as though they're addressing the issues under warranty. Offering £75 seems more than fair to me.

Make sure you get new seats & the clutch sorted and make sure you get a suitable courtesy car. Don't see there's much else they can do tbh.


i totally agree.

there was a problem with the clutch, they fixed it. done.

kick up a fuss about the seats mind. after all the agro other users have had with seats in the clio, something needs to be looked at.

re the £75, i'd be happy with it.
 


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