EVO magazine 184 July RS Clio 200 T versus the rest

[Gally]

I'd go for minutes!

 

[Munson]

Hours?

 

[Gally]

Day.... oh wait a minute.

Anyway as a Ford lover i've been excited about reading this one. Pint of Heini and a good read later after football.

 

[MarkCup]

Just read the road test...can't argue with their reasoning for placing the Clio 4th although I think that is a bit harsh. Side by side to the average Jo there's little over and above price and personal preference (and the Clio's 'box) that differentiates them. I'm glad I've gone for the ST, but wouldn't be remotely unhappy if I hadn't and was instead currently waiting for a 200T.

The 200T's problem is that it doesn't really sit alongside this class of car anymore so when compared it comes off worse...it's now midway between old Mk3 Clio and the current Megane (heavier and trying to be bigger/more practical)...no man's land really.

Standing alone I still think it's a great car.

 

[fdog]

i think the depreciation on these could be even more horrific than normal given there look warm reviews from the press, and could well be a great buy in 12months time id be all over one for 13 or 14k.

 

[Šįk]

Seems like the new Clio RS has gone soft shame..

 

[Matt W]

Seems like the new Clio RS has gone soft shame..

The same was said when the 197 came out. Give it a couple of years and people will be all over them like a rash.

 

[Šįk]

Lets hope so Matt.

 

[CrippsCorner]

The new Clio Renaultsport is the Windows Vista of the car world.

Won't be a bad thing if they can bring out a 7 afterwards!

 

[Matthew]

I suspect Renault are now aiming this car at a new audience, not the 18-25s but the people who have more disposable income.

The Golf GTI, Focus St sort.

Its no longer a super-mini, like the cars it was placed against in EVO.

Its a "sporty family car" now.

 

[yeecup]

I really fancy a fiesta st tbh. Wonder what sort of finance deals are on offer.

 

[icebergclio]

seems to read up lukewarm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring.../2013-Renaultsport-Clio-200-Turbo-review.html

imo it looks the dogs on the outside and the interior looks lush. pricey though lol

also that review says its lighter than its prede... is that right?!?

 

[Damo251]

Was that the rs with the cup chassis guys?

 

[aucky]

Was that the rs with the cup chassis guys?

What?

 

[The Fatty]

not liking the sound of this from telegraph...

All the cars come with three main modes of operation. Normal is a standard
amount of engine idle speed, a soft throttle gain and feel, early gear upshifts
and a soft steering feel. Sport and Race progressively turn these settings down
or off, although there's a fair bit of button pressing to get there and the
chassis will always revert to safe and cotton-wool-wrapped if you stop the
engine or even select reverse.

 

[The Fatty]

also not convinced its faster 0-60 than a 1*2, proof will be when someone actually has one I guess.

 

[ben81]

Read it. Main thing that got my attention is that it's heavier than the Juke. I'll just repeat that, 200t heavier than Juke 'Nismo'.

 

[Gally]

200T still lighter than a 200.

Not sure how the f**k they got a Juke Nismo so light. I love them, very interesting choice of car.

 

[N0ddie]

200T still lighter than a 200.

Not sure how the f**k they got a Juke Nismo so light. I love them, very interesting choice of car.

Technically the 200T is the same weight as the old 200 albeit the cup model.

 

[MarkCup]

200T still lighter than a 200.

Not sure how the f**k they got a Juke Nismo so light. I love them, very interesting choice of car.

Technically the 200T is the same weight as the old 200 albeit the cup model.

Err, according to this roadtest...it's not lighter or the same as the old 200, it's heavier. Quite a bit heavier too.

Unless I'm reading something wrong...I saw almost 1,300 kgs for the 200T.

 

[Lal B3N]

200T still lighter than a 200.

Not sure how the f**k they got a Juke Nismo so light. I love them, very interesting choice of car.

A normal 200 is only 1240kg is it not? Which means the 200T is heavier surely.

 

[Gally]

Wow. Chat has been for months that it was lighter. Not that I care, the ST is clearly a fantastic car.

 

[N0ddie]

The weights earlier on in this thread are wrong. The 200T is 1,204kg as confirmed by Renault which is the same as the outgoing 200 Cup.

Somebody's added an extra 90Kgs somewhere whether it be Evo mag or who ever posted the figures up here.

 

[withoutabix]

The 200T is 1,204kg as confirmed by Renault which is the same as the outgoing 200 Cup.

Renault say a lot of things, How many 197's make 197BHP?

I presume Evo have taken all the cars and weighed them themselves thus arriving at this figure

 

[Heez]

The MK4 clio 5 door is lighter than the MK3 5 door. Thats where the reports of "being lighter" comes from I think.

 

[Gally]

Renault say a lot of things, How many 197's make 197BHP?

I presume Evo have taken all the cars and weighed them themselves thus arriving at this figure

Yeah Evo weighed them. 1 full tank no driver iirc.

 

[MarkCup]

The weights earlier on in this thread are wrong. The 200T is 1,204kg as confirmed by Renault which is the same as the outgoing 200 Cup.

Somebody's added an extra 90Kgs somewhere whether it be Evo mag or who ever posted the figures up here.

They're not...the weights are real...not Renault's prediction.

Yeah Evo weighed them. 1 full tank no driver iirc.

Exactly. Same scales, same day, one after the other.

Regardless of what the actual ultimate weights are and how far out their original estimates were...it's the differences between them that's the concern for Renault.

They'd been saying it was circa 40kgs heavier than the Fiesta...and it turns out to be more like 100kgs! Dynamically, that's a hell of a burden to be carrying about.

 

[MarkCup]

I'll just repeat that, 200t heavier than Juke 'Nismo'.

Actual LOLS.

 

[Gally]

The biggest thing here imo is, Ford have always been a tad behind at times with some lap times and some pub 0-60 times but they always made up for it in the drive and possibly the running costs and price etc. This proves a massive massive change and swing now.

It's actually now properly showing up to these hot hatch contests. Can you imagine the old ST versus a JCW mini etc? I'm just happy and proud to a point, that they have and they seem to have made a bloody good car that's properly competing.

 

[Matt26]

Renault say a lot of things, How many 197's make 197BHP?

They make 197PS.

 

[Sargara]

Read it. Main thing that got my attention is that it's heavier than the Juke. I'll just repeat that, 200t heavier than Juke 'Nismo'.

:dapprove:

 

[MarkCup]

They make 197PS.

I should have got one of them then...my 200 only makes 194bhp (191PS).

They made the 200 less powerful then?

 

[Matt26]

I should have got one of them then...my 200 only makes 194bhp (191PS).

They made the 200 less powerful then?

You've got it the wrong way round. 194BHP is 197PS.

http://www.which.co.uk/cars/driving/driver-tools/power-converter

 

[MarkCup]

You've got it the wrong way round. 194BHP is 197PS.

http://www.which.co.uk/cars/driving/driver-tools/power-converter

No, you've got it wrong...my 200 only makes 194bhp...proven on a rolling road.

The point is...generally what Renault state is some way from reality. Power, weight, whatever.

They say it weighs 1,204kgs...it actually weights 1,300kgs.

They say they make 200bhp/PS/whatever, they actually make less.

Renault over-promise and under-sell...that's the point being withoutabix was trying to make to you.

 

[Matt26]

Yes, but you got the conversion the wrong way round, so I was correcting that.

 

[DEMONKNIGHT666]

The weights earlier on in this thread are wrong. The 200T is 1,204kg as confirmed by Renault which is the same as the outgoing 200 Cup.

Somebody's added an extra 90Kgs somewhere whether it be Evo mag or who ever posted the figures up here.

These figs are from Evo weighing each car with a full tank and no driver on board, Renault's will be a dry weight with no fluids that's why it's lighter.

 

[Jaff.]

These figs are from Evo weighing each car with a full tank and no driver on board, Renault's will be a dry weight with no fluids that's why it's lighter.

​When do you ever drive it dry?

 

[DEMONKNIGHT666]

​When do you ever drive it dry?

you don't but it will be lighter, it's 1294kg eos, that's it.
Quote from article " The Clio had the best chassis balance and brakes, but also felt the heaviest and has the least steering feel"

 

[Jaff.]

Yes but comparing apples with apples. Same scales, same requirements (full tank) same day, same unbiased people taking the readings.

the Clio is lacking behind in that area even though Renault claimed it to be no worse than the outgoing model.

 

[ukaskew]

If anyone picks up the magazine this month, make sure you read the Dean Stoneman interview as well as the Clio stuff. Amazing story, I thought I did pretty well when I was in hospital seriously ill last year with my recovery etc, but he is on another level entirely.