Fact! R-Sport ecu DOES affect warranty!

[Spaceman]

Just rang R-Sport regarding their ECU. I asked the guy if it would affect the warranty, and he said quote "it would do, but only if they found out."

He then said that theyd only find out if they had to plug into the ECU, but you could always swap them back over before you took it into the garage!

 

[Tom]

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[Spaceman]

Just clarifying things for anyone who has read several different things about it ...........like me!

 

[CUP80Y]

....and you dont always get a chance to swap it over...ie if you break down at the side of the road and get towed to a Renault dealer!!!

Better off with an aftermarket chip that guarantees to be undetectable by a dealer if your worried about y warranty.

 

[Rich-D]

Id have thought that it was obvious that fitting a Group N ECU would affect your warranty... http://www.esato.com/board/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

Does however depend on the realationship you have with the servicing dept!

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by CUP80Y on 12 January 2004


Better off with an aftermarket chip that guarantees to be undetectable by a dealer if your worried about y warranty.

Theyll still be able to tell if the ECUs been tweaked...

 

[KDF]

True, but givin that the R-sport ECU was initially popular because of the belief that your warranty would remain, the best option is now gonna be the unichip or similar, especially if you do any mods.

 

[JJ172]

Sounds like a definitive answer is needed - step forward Jeremy Townsend please!

 

[Tom]

Right. quite how anyone would figure out that you had the ecu fitted is beyond me its the SAME ecu. except the mapping on the rsport one is tweaked.

of course it will affect warranty its an aftermarket non offical part.

 

[McBunny]

why would it not affect the warranty ?? its a chip installed by a company that has nothing to do with renault !! ok its a genuine renault part but its a renaultsport part designed for racing not use on road cars so why the hell would renault honour a warranty claim on an engine that has this chip on????

oh and dont misunderstand the bit about not for road cars please

 

[Tom]

Quote: Originally posted by dogmaul on 12 January 2004


why would it not affect the warranty ?? its a chip installed by a company that has nothing to do with renault !! ok its a genuine renault part but its a renaultsport part designed for racing not use on road cars so why the hell would renault honour a warranty claim on an engine that has this chip on????

oh and dont misunderstand the bit about not for road cars please






You sure? its not in the renaultsport catalog. only MM ecus are listed.

 

[McBunny]

isnt the renault sport ecu the group n one again ?? same as hill power et all

 

[rich[182]]

cup80y youve hit the nail right on the head, thats the sole reason why despite the fact i want an r-sport ecu im not gonna bother, i know its a trade off between that little extra performance v consequences of being caught out and for me personally its just not worth the risk, im looking at things worst case scenario and i just know id have some kind of electrical problem or engine would blow and id not be able to swap over - renault would walk a million miles and say "your problem guv"

when i bought the 172 i did so knowing full well the car would spend time at the dealers with niggling faults or warranty work due to build quality etc so i just cant be arsed forever swapping the ecu back all the time

i just dont wanna ever get into a situation where im arguing the toss over mods, they are ok with air filter and cat back zorst and thatll do for me, lowering 25mm they are also ok with but it would void wheel bearings, shocks and track rod ends

also if youve disclosed the ecu to your insurance company could renault consult them to check mods if you had a very messy claim where they were arguing the toss over liability

 

[Mike@Rentech]

Anyone got a part number for the renault sport ECU?

 

[Griff]

If the R sport ECU is exactley the same as the original just with different mapping whats to stop you taking it to Renault for say a service and them thinking "lets update the ecu" and basically reseting it back to normal?

 

[Neil82]

I was told ages ago that the ECU was approved like many others at the time, after all R SPORT LTD are a Renault approved dealer so why wouldn’t people believe them.

Since then I have spoken to Renault Customer services and they phoned R SPORT for me and confirmed it’s not warranty approved. I have written to R SPORT asking for written confirmation that it doesn’t effect the warranty and stating they told me it was warranty approved on the phone (I know now it’s not approved but i cant wait to see their reply!!!!) Oh and Tom182 they can tell its chipped when they hook their diagnostics machine to the car, different ECU number and they can’t flash/update it!

I have driven a standard Cup and a R sport Cup and have raced a Cup (ktec exhaust) vs a R sport Cup and there is no difference at all, R sported Cup pulled a bit in third (higher limiter) and the other Cup then came back and pulled half a car when I stuck it in 4th....... Take of that what you will, oh and it was a full on Craggy esk gear change I did so nothing to do with my driving.

At the end of the day most 172s and Cups are in and out of the garage all the time I would think very carefully about fitting the chip to your car. Plus when its in for servicing you would have to swap it out and if you broke down you wouldnt be able to get it towed to the dealer with the chip in just incase....

If you want to spend 250-300 on a mod get an exhaust which wont null the warrenty on your whole engine just the bits back from the exhaust (which is nothing)

P.S longest post I’ve ever done.... you proud of me

 

[Neil82]

Quote: Originally posted by griff_90 on 12 January 2004

If the R sport ECU is exactley the same as the original just with different mapping whats to stop you taking it to Renault for say a service and them thinking "lets update the ecu" and basically reseting it back to normal?



They cant update it, thats when they would find out its been chipped.

 

[JAY172]

when they would come to update it the clip(diagnostic comp) would reject it due to it being incorrect software.it wouldnt recognise the group n software.you can still access fault finding though.

 

[edde]

RSport dealership isnt the dealership which has anything to do with Rsport themselves. Its just the name of a garage.

The Rsport group N ECU isnt the one they use in Cup racing I think Rsport call it that as a sort of promotion name its like the Williams Clio not having anything to do with Williams racing but its good advertising.

Im not sure if Renault can rewrite the maps used in the Rsport ECU the normal ones can be rewriten but the Rsport one imaybe a different type of memeory ie write protected

EDD

 

[McBunny]

right lets get this straight

rsport is a tin pot company

renault sport is the tuning and motor sport arm of renault cars

the group n ecu isnt used in cup race cars they use a totally different engine management system that is a Sealed Magneti Marelli MF4L ignition system

where as the road cars use a siemens cirus II engine management system.

where as the group n rally cars usethe standard engin emanagement system due to the regulations in group n not allowing the changing off the management system only the use of a remap.

any more questions ?????

 

[Frosty]

I have been back to Renault 3 times with the R-Sport ECU fitted and every time the work has been completed under warranty.

What do you think about that?

 

[Tom]

They dont check your ecu. like i said before. and if there is an ecu fault isnt it lucky you have a spare.

"Im not sure if Renault can rewrite the maps used in the Rsport ECU the normal ones can be rewriten but the Rsport one imaybe a different type of memeory ie write protected"

Exactly the mapping cannot be modified by renault service/diagnostic tools they can flash the ecu but as jay has pointed out the rsport ecu will not allow this due to its software revision numbers not being listed in the clip.

 

[McBunny]

frosty what do we think about what ?? them doing warranty work on your car with the ecu ?? mines been back many times with a full race exhaust and decat on yet they still fix the car !!! the warrnty will only be void on parts that are directly related to the mod so if you suspension collapses it will be coverd but if your engine fails due to it been over reved to 8 k then they wont honour the warranty and to be honest why the hell should they

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by Frosty on 13 January 2004


I have been back to Renault 3 times with the R-Sport ECU fitted and every time the work has been completed under warranty.

What do you think about that?

How would they know unless the hook it up to the diagnostic computer...

For most faults its not an issue!