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FAO valver owners





After reading the latest Autocar and seeing there cheap fast cars section i saw a bit about the valver and williams. It says the valver has 90% of the thrills yet is a lot cheaper to own!

After realising its not an insurance nightmare i am now looking to get one, as a go between with my current Clio and then the Cup. I know i can pick up valvers for about 3k but what should i be paying for a good un? Are there any factory options which i should be making sure i have? Also whats likely to go wrong?

Any help appreciated! Id be looking to get the car late this year or early next.

-Rob
 


To be truthful, its hard to find a nice example these days.. it took me 6months to find a mint 16v, in which i bought from a guy from this fourm. he was an enthusiast that wrapped it in cotten wool. i bought it with 40k miles for £4200 (very cheap i thought at the time) well over a year ago now, maybe 18months. Prices today have changed a bit, if i was you i would do 1 of 2 things.



1. take your time, find a minter and expect to pay £4000 - £3800 with low miles (you could be searching for alittle while)

2. buy a sh*tter with high miles, but with decent bodywork for £2000 - £1700 and under go some serious tuning. Slap in a 2ltr and take it upto stage 2 etc..

if i had my time again i would prob go for option 2, tho i have no regrets as my car has not even back fired since ownership. worse thing thats happend to me is a snapped clutch cable.



things to look out for are :-



full service history, these may appear strong on the outside but they need to be looked after, regular oil changes etc are a MUST.

get a full HPI check

make sure the cambelt has been changed before 72k, ask for documentation

have a feel of how high up the bite point is, is the clutch on the way out? big job to change a clutch on these cars.. looking at a few pennies to change one of these.

take it out on the motor way and blimp the throttle, watch for gearstick movment, does it slip of gear? if so = new dog bone mount.

check tyres, not cheep either...

make sure body work matches up, no uneven colours.. see if the panels all have the same lines etc..

wheel bearings, take her round a few sharp bends and listen out for some grinding... if its not the bearings making that grinding nose, your too close to the kerb and youve just scuffed one of his alloys, again not cheap.



hmm, all i can thing of for now..
 
  Was a Clio 1.8 16v


Ull get a minter for 3k mate. I think 4k is a good price for urs rockport even if that was up today. Just check auto-trader!

Look under buying guides for tips. 72k needs cambelt as mentioned. There is a nice black one which has had 1 women owner in the trader at the minute. U shouldnt have to wait too long to find a good one.

Anything over 100k & it aint worth it IMHO, but if found cheap then maybe buying a new low milage williams or megane engine are relativly easy to fit i think.

Apart from that the rest goes without saying.
 


it also goes without saying that you have to buy a pearl black clio too... evidently the best colour to buy..

Mikey16v was it you that parked up with me, Glenn, Ben H @ brands hatch where we all parked our black valvers up in a straight line in an empty space in the cp where everyone come over and started taking pictures?! :D
 


lol Blacks hard to clean though as i know already.

So should i get a phase 1 or 2, what are the differences apart the obvious external ones? Is one cheaper to insure than the other?

As much as id like to go mad mate i wont be modding it.

Id like to have a look at yours sometime though :)
 


Then come to meanstreet then Rob, its going to be puka, can see my car there.. if not for the cars, just come for the essex birds getting the tits out.

insurance groups has nothing to do with the phase of your clio, no matter if its a p1 or p2 its still a 1.8 16v at the end of the day.

internal changes on phase 1 & 2 is :- dials on the clocks, switches are different, air bag (with late phase 2s) few other things that i cant remember.

evidently a phase 2 is more desirable then phase 1s... tho if your not worried about re-selling or looks then get a phase 1.. likely to be cheaper.
 


i think leather is more desirable too mate, I held out to find a mint one with leather and am well glad I did, lumbar support, seat height adjustor etc !!
 


The leather is well worth it, as I know - but it will add about £500 to the price. Phase2 is the spec to go for if you can: its build as much as looks. Ive got an early Phase2 (on a very late L-reg) and the doors shut with much more of a good thud than my flatmates Phase1; meanwhile, Ivegota16vs late N-reg doors close with more of a good thud than mine! (not that doors = total build of the car of course!).

The world of buying a 16v is full of perils and gems. The pricing is totally unfathomable. Throw your price guide in the bin and buy on condition. Youll see the odd 16v at £1500, but you wont be getting a premium example for that, mark my words! On the other hand, there are some real sh*tters for £4k.

I would avoid cars with big wheels (owners ask more and theyre hard on suspension/bearings) and wouldnt worry too much about high miles if the bils are there. There will be loads of cars with 60-70k miles on the market for good reason: its a very expensive mileage. If you pick up a car for a good price with 100k miles plus, it will probably give you less big bills (already done), but more annoying little jobs.

Overall, Im of the opinion that 16v owners are of the demographic that look after their cars well - enthusiasts. However, the cars are fairly maintenace-intensive, so, as ever, the care it has received thus far will usually dictate condition. Look for a big folder of bills.

What you should then be looking for then can be split into categories:

Exterior:

- Rear arch lips are susceptible to rusting, front ones are plastic so arent a problem. Rust also possible on door bottoms, around window rear quarters and boot bottom. Rear arches are now only available as an entire quarter panel - £330 from Renault inc VAT each side - so make for an expensive repair. Other body panels are surprisingly reasonable after a recent price cut.

- Front fogs (expensive) are prone to cracking due to stone chips.

- Bonnet and front bumper also prone to stone chips.

Mechanical:

N.B. due to engine size, many otherwise simple jobs on 16v/Willy are engine-out jobs.

- Cambelts must have been done before 72k (many advise a cambelt change far earlier); fairly big bill in itself and mega bill if it snaps in service.

- Diffs, gbox and clutch are all expensive jobs so check carefully. Jump off the accelerator in 2nd to see if it pops out, if so, then suspect the box or the "dog bone" engine-to-subframe engine mount.

- Rear brake callipers can seize. New rear discs also necessitates new wheel bearings.

- Check aftermarket exhaust mountings - often a poor fit; rumbling under load can be caused by poor exhaust manifold to downpipe gasket (cheap job, disturbing noise).

- Erratic idle commonly due to faulty throttle potentionometer or idle speed control valve (respectively a specialist job and a straight swap).

- 16v/Willy run hot, so check coolant system - hoses, rad, expansion tank, water pump, anti-percolation (if you can). Radweld works wonders with minor radiator leaks.

- Engine mounts often go - embarassing and expensive to have your engine fall out, so see if engine rocks back and forth by opening bonnet and pulling accelerator cable.

- If car has induction kit check security of air hoses - can explain erratic idle or apparent air leak.

- Steering racks and columns are common failures. The handling reaction will be a second or two behind steering input in such a case; car will also tramline and follow road too much.

- Check for snapped front springs.

- CV gaiters should be checked - manifested by clicking noise on full lock.

- Handbrake is normally not good.

- If lowered, will need new front strut top mounts sooner or later. If majorly lowered, check to see that brake pressure-regulating control valve has been adjusted at the rear - otherwise the back wheels will lock too easily. Lowering also places extra strain on front anti-roll bar mountings and bushes and the track rod ends.

Interior:

- Sunroofs leak - tough luck!

- Electric window and mirror switches are very expensive - so check them too.

- Front seat belt reels often become ineffective - especially the drivers one.

- Door handle rods in door mechanism can come loose, so that the handle wont work. A time-consuming but easy job.
 


Thanks for such a detailed response. I think ill hire someone from the club to come with me so i make sure i get the best i can when the time comes.

Ill do my best to get to meanstreet!

-Rob
 
  Was a Clio 1.8 16v


Quickest & most reliable car for the money really.

That wasnt me at Brands Hatch though rockport, i live in Manchester, check my pics in a forum post by doin a search with white alloys in it mate.

Is any1 really £500 worth of bothered about leather seats in a boy racer car?
 
  honda accord 2.4 type s


Was never bothered about leather in mine when i bought it, but since the new seats have been in, ive noticed how much more comfortable and sturdy they are
 


16v leather are the same seats as the 19 16v - theyre different from the "normal" 16v ones and are a very worthwhile investment for any length of journey. I dont think anyone says theyre a waste of money when theyve sat in them!
 
  Toureg vW Transporte


definately worth paying the cash, paid 4500 for my n reg with leather, 63000 , kahns and powerflow (which ive changed...dick). and i havnt look back, its definately worth finding a good un
 
  clio 20v


lol think ben h has jus about sed it all, there briliiant cars tho im on me second one hehe

new j reg one is cleaner bodywork wise than the n reg and is more or less exactly same to drive

lots of my mates sed they want a valver after seeing mine but i always offer diff advice depending how they treat there cars, valvers are high maintenance and people who dont expect to spend money on em an have problems are a bit mistaken

adi
 
  20VT Clio & 9-5 HOT


The leather seats are v v comfy. Everyone who has sat in mine have said how nice they are to sit in!!! But black looks better ;):eek:
 


Quote: Originally posted by Ben H on 03 April 2003




- Sunroofs leak - tough luck!
The sunroof leaked on my phase 1 rt. Took it all apart, cleaned it, and put it back together again and it was sorted. Easy really.



Paul
 
  Willy2


Rob

Finally you have seen the light, in the year that i have owned my valver i have spent...........................£2600, ok this is alot, this is the work i had done:- New steering column, front window moving forward, sunroof fixed,rear disks and bearings, re-built rad, new fan +switch, theromostat, alternator,front disks, front and rear suspension, rebuilt gearbox, powerflow and magnex exhausts, new dog leg mount, willy clocks and wheels, new interior different colour phase 1, engine and rad flushed, new expansion tank, piperx filter and there is probably more which escapes me. Anyways the rear arch on the drivers side is bubbling and there are various dents that need sorting and recently got the car lowered and it looks the nuts!

But seriously if you look at cars in NW london give us a call and i will come down with you, i am no means an expert but i know a few bits and pieces.

I also have a copy of revs that has a large article on buying a 16v if you want me to scan it and send it to you send an email to mailto:rajeshkripalani@hotmail.com">rajeshkripalani@hotmail.com. I paid 2K for mine last year and it had 106K but the Cambelt had been changed and the engine re-built at 96K

Go for a phase 2 with leathers and ABS this i feel is very important.
 


Rajk scan it in and I will host it. I feel a lot of people might be interested in it. I will also need to give it a read in a few months...well I say a few months, probably going to be about a year.



Paul
 


hi,

sorry just thought id add.......you can buy rear arches for the clio from western auto panels in chippenham & swindon (about £15.00 each) you dont need to buy any special arch for the 16v (depending on how far up you are going) the arches for the standard clio will fit all.....if anyone wants their number....e-mail me mailto:xxxfathertedxxx@aol.com">xxxfathertedxxx@aol.com
 


Rockport - the other black valver in that photo at Brands is mine(well not for much longer as its for sale) Plus i have the photo on computer if you want it?Mail me if you do:

mailto:jonladley@hotmail.com">jonladley@hotmail.com
 
  Was a Clio 1.8 16v


Quote: Originally posted by RobFenn on 03 April 2003

Yeah im not that bothered bout the leather, depends how sh*t the non leather ones look like!
Engine is 1,000,000 times more important than leathers. Buy the best condition one u can find, not the banger with leathers.

ABS isnt too clever though, better with-out if you enjoy quick driving and aggresive braking.
 
  Was a Clio 1.8 16v


Probably not. But u could get the seats seperatly if u cant live with-out.

Leather? Whats u fasination considering u already drive a SLK?
 


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