FASTEST CLIO!

[Captain Slarty]

this is quite interesting.. to run a quarter needs hp, grip, and driver.. you have nos.. ??.. so whats the problem Nick ?.

why bugger about with non relevent details when the nos is the key to a fast time - in a straight line - (note - not on the road as this is a different kettle of fish)

The ONLY time and money you need to inject are drilling the nos and fuel nozzles to deliver the power you want.. for about 15 seconds.. thats not really rocket science is it ?.

As for fastest clio et al.. you may well have the fastest nos powered 1.8 clio that has run at a timed event in the limited scope of this club.. but ??..

that dont mean it would catch a cold on the road.....

But then, the kids seemed to like you leaving the numbers on the side - deliberately - after the last timed run..

So, nope, I wouldnt say your claims are anything but relevent in a straight line on smooth tarmac with a suitable shot of nitrous oxide to overcome other ineficiencies...

otherwise, yep, kewl.......

 

[Daz]

Its not just the NOS which makes Nicks car go like that though, is it?

Take the NOS off, and its still a damn quick car - Cant remember the 1/4 mile runs he did when he ran out, but from what I remember, they were still pretty low.

Daz.

 

[Nick Read]

Theres no fastest about it Joe. If by using quotes around my claim you are yet again trying to piss on someones bonfire then think again. The time is proven and will be verified by the many people who were actually there on the day. I dont give a flying f**k what you think of the way I go about achieving my times. Youve never even been quarter miling AFAIK and I dont think youd dare in case your theories about quarter mile technique are shown up for the fantasy they are.

As usual youre talking bullsh*t that you dont know. If you *know* of any model of road-going Clio in this country that has run a faster time then show me the slip, show me any kind of proof. And if you cant then shut the f**k up or try a run yourself. If you actually had ever tried using nitrous yourself youd realise that it isnt a case of just drilling nozzles - youre just showing up your ignorance of things which you know nothing about, yet as usual youre trying to pretend you do. I really dont know who it is youre trying to impress.

 

[Ben j]

cossie clios fastest...... and road legal......



naaa naaaa i win!!!

 

[2 live]

he he

yeah the runs nick put in against me minus his nos werent all that great for all the work hes had done

but with the nos .................. wot can i say??

i think the times kinda speak for themselves....but i know that if i put nos on the willy the "FASTEST CLIO IN UK" title would most definately be mine

not having a pop nick but u know my feelings on nos.......its a last ditch effort to drag the last bit of power out of ur engine

as far as im concerned, nos is a short cut to true power

cheers

jon

 

[Daz]

Doesnt really matter how you do it, does it?

Using a Turbo is the same thing in effect. Doesnt make it a lesser car... just a quicker one

Daz.

 

[Fred@BTM]

My cars the quickest, i can do evos in it!!!!!!

 

[Jonesy]

Quote: Originally posted by Craggy on 30 October 2002


well sir isaac stated that a body will maintain a state of rest or unform acceleration unless acted upon by an external force, in this case drag. this scenario. is where people confuse mass with weight

the force formula is f=ma so rearrange that to acceleration = force/mass

force being gravity and mass being the mass of either object.



craggy

Nice cut and paste job from some bbc gcse science website lol

 

[Captain Slarty]

Jonesy, lol..

yep, the MASS is constant for a given object, the weight is relative to the force of gravity. An item will weigh a different amount in a different gravitational field, but the mass remains constant.

 

[Craggy]

no, i typed it actually, from a book, then the formula i put in myself, as well as the sir isaac bit, is he a sir?

 

[davehocking]

think so.

 

[2 live]

daz mate...... YES it does matter how you do it lol

if u just want a quick shot of power then yeah nos is the way to go.......... if u want that power all the time......... then nos isnt the way to go

IMHO i would rather have permanant power than a bit extra evry now and then. only when i could get no more power out of doing the internals etc would i go for nos

like i said i may be old school but the grin nick gets when his nos comes in is wot i want ALL THE TIME i drive mine. not just for an odd few minutes here and there between re-fills........ the only way to do that is to do internals, head work etc. turbos are anotyer option i see as a way to cheat to give power...

not exactly cheating but its an easy way to gain power. i prefer the old route of upgrading/balancing/lightening/tweeking things to just pure bolt on bits, fit and forget items should only include bits made out of stainless, carbon or titanium pieces lol

jon

 

[Captain Slarty]

Agree with Jon (apart from the turbo bit lol !)

Nos is a simple no brainer, but not sustainable due to cost / size / convenience.

ie, one cant use it for any length of time, no circuit racing, no sustained road use.. it is really only good for the odd grin factor, for testing true power mods (ie - the rest of the vehicles capability) or 1/4 miling, which is a fun passtime but not an indicator of performance overall.

Its a bit of fun, not a serious performance mod.

 

[Nick Read]

Yeah Im not allowed to modify my 1.8 to use nitrous, but you 2.0 boys carry on with your larger engines than me, thats fair that is... Oh and maybe on a 172, you better get rid of that cheating variable valve timing as well. In fact lets see how quick a Scooby really is without its turbo - thats a cheat if ever I saw one.

Let me put it this way - nothing gives me greater pleasure than seeing a new expensive car slaughtered by an H-reg 5 turbo. I guess some people are happy to just buy a big engined car and bask in the glory and others get smaller engined cars and work for it.

Its true there is no substitute for capacity, but most people, me included are not in the position to start overboring their blocks or doing engine swaps without a lot of expense. Now this is not because I *couldnt* do it myself, Im sure I could learn if I had the tools - but the fact is that it is my everyday car which I cannot afford to have off the road, and I do not have even a driveway, let alone a garage. So that kind of rules out big engine swap jobs doesnt it. Of course I could pay someone to do it for me. But I dont have a lot of money.

So looking down on little engined cars and non-traditional mods is basically arrogance - all these so called real mods are conveniently enough the ones that cost the most for people like me. I would love a 2.0 block or throttle bodies and it may be something Ive got lined up for the winter but its not the be all and end all of tuning.

And I think youll find that using nitrous oxide is by no means a no brainer, its pretty easy to f**k up an engine using nitrous oxide if you dont know what youre doing - and from your casual approach to it, you obviously dont know the first thing. I wouldnt let you near my car with a toolkit even if you paid me.

 

[Nick Read]

BTW Jon - remember your motor is by no means a normal Willy! It is way quicker than it should be, no-one knows why but it just is. A strong motor. I think youd find that if you drove a really standard Willy youd be quite surprised at the difference mate.

 

[2 live]

sorry nick if i hit a bit of a nerve there but as far as im aware my car IS really standard.................albeit a QUICK one.



as for saying u wouldnt let me loose with ur car with a spanner ..................well mate thats ur loss lol, i thought u were one of the only people on here that could take constructive criticism.......obviously not.

as for

"Its true there is no substitute for capacity, but most people, me included are not in the position to start overboring their blocks or doing engine swaps without a lot of expense. Now this is not because I *couldnt* do it myself, Im sure I could learn if I had the tools - but the fact is that it is my everyday car which I cannot afford to have off the road, and I do not have even a driveway, let alone a garage. So that kind of rules out big engine swap jobs doesnt it. Of course I could pay someone to do it for me. But I dont have a lot of money. "

i dont have a lot of money either mate, i also need to use the car as a family car (which it is) i dont have a garage or a driveway either.......... so that makes us equal in those respects too......

the REAL difrence is that i saw tuning the 1800 as a limited project, whereas a 2 litre has a LOT more potential.. nick mate u think if id have tuned the valver instead of buying the willy ud STILL have the quickest time???????????

im not sl*gging ur mods off mate but I chose to go a difrent route, i.e starting off wth nearly what ur finishing at. like i said i thought u was up to a bit of constructive criticism

jon

 

[Captain Slarty]

I also think a few are missing a vital point here... (not you Jon btw ! ).. meaning.. its not the gun, its the gunner...

some cars produce a higher figure at the wheels, some produce a better time at the track.. it isnt always directly related.. often its the fact that the driver is better..

ie..

"BTW Jon - remember your motor is by no means a normal Willy! It is way quicker than it should be, no-one knows why but it just is."

so, Nick, surely you HAVE to accept that the driver is the variable, so, the no-one knows why bit is a rather a silly thing to say.. the answer is there to see..

Now, as for nos being a no-brainer.. well, yes it is.. you appear to be taking it as reference to you.. it is not.. it is simply that there is NO technical skill required, or indeed knowledge, in fitting and using nos in the way you have done, ie - from a kit, with purpose designed parts..

you bolt in some bottle brackets, run some pipes (you dont even need to decide on the pipes, its in the kit or provided from trev..) fit the solenoids, fit the injector (again as per the oodles of advice supplied) and do a few SIMPLE tests to ensure a safe mixture... then away ya go..

you seem to be forever looking for nirvana, a simple change to an airbox etc that will be the key to another coupla horsepower and 0.1 reduction in time on the strip... ALL you need to do is jet the system for 10-25% more power than you beleive you need and then adjust the progressive pwm to give you what you have now.. SIMPLE!!.. (you now have another readily available variable in reserve)

if you want another 5bhp, you increase the pwm final level and balance to provide it.

 

[technicalman]

All motors are tuned to the limit these days, gone are the times when a K&N filter and a Kent cam got you 30 BHP out of your MK2 escort for less than a hundred nicker.

Turbo is the way for more of a HP gain, then you need the water injection to stop it frying if you run high boost all the time, and you need the ecu set up to spray excess fuel into the turbine to keep the rotor revs and back pressure up (wrc cars do this, seen as flashes and banging as it ignites in the hot exhaust). This way you can use a wastegated Turbocharger Like a supercharger, power all the way through the range, with no lag, delivery of boost air is instantaneous.

Subaru have proved this, an impreza sport is 2.0 and 125 Bhp in normal aspirated form. Strap on a turbo and this becomes 217, thats the only difference. You can tweak the ecu for more power, but its left like this so it easily gets past EC emissions and drive by noise regs.

Oh and on the feathers, they come in a compressed bail, about 2.0 cubic meters, so it will be about the size of a pallet of bricks

 

[andy lloyd]

MY LITTLE 172 HAS DONE 140MPH...CANT SAY WHERE OFCOURSE

I HAD MY DIGI CAM BUT THE BATTS WENT FLAT....BUGGER

 

[BenR]

Agree, i run N20, it is a no brainer as i fitted it when drunk (a bet during the night) and tested it the next day.......as far as i can remember....LOL

Its cheap and easy, which is why i like it.....good for annoying people and thats about it.

Nick, one thing as people have mentioned and you dont seem to like (no offence as you know i never have harsh words with anyone) is that you are ONLY the fastest at the pod....surely that does not represent the UK. as many a demo clio will/can prove.

And yes, you can jet for whatever you want.....alternatively, why dont you invest in some drag rubber......surely that will be worth more than your airbox?

I mean, with n20 off, my ex std MK1 XR2 was 86bhp and fun....with n20 on it about as fast as a 16V......but that means jack......