Great vid showing off ESP

[Lagerlout]

Maybe. I think like that.

BUT and it's a big but, I cannot put my hand on my heart and say that I'm 100% switched on 100% of the time. I certainly try to be but will always be times, no matter what training you've had, when your mind will not be solely on the road.

 

[MarkCup]

But don't try and make out that it's ineffective or that people who have cars with ESP on are somehow lesser drivers as a result.

I didn't. My first post in this thread pointed out how it's a lifesaver for many people.

I merely tried to illustrate that driving is something that you have to learn just like any other skill out there.

It's just that most people choose not to.

I give up my own time voluntarily to help people improve their driving. There are no "lesser" drivers, but there are many (if not all) people who could/would benefit from further training.

 

[Lagerlout]

Perhaps.

Using your plastering analogy for a sec, it's fair to say that no matter how much tutoring some of the IT workers on this forum recieved they wouldn't be able to plaster a cut on their finger.

Same that, and sadly with far worse consequences than lumpy plaster, some drivers simply cannot be taught!

 

[Paul J]

Most on here love driving, even have a passion for it. This tends to make them analize their driving and strive to improve.

I know plenty of people who can only describe a car by its colour. Wouldnt have a clue what ABS TC and ESP are and treat their car as a nicer alternative to the bus.

The effort of concentration being applied to the drive is the minimum possible. Trying to sort kids out in the back, having a conversation with passenger, on the phone or just fatigue, situations take these people by surprise and they panick, lock up and crash.

Driver training is fantastic but until its a requirement ESP makes idiots and lapse's of concentration safer.

 

[MarkCup]

I totally agree Paul.

Which is why I've long said you're 100x safer/less at risk on a trackday compared with driving on your normal commute.

At least on a trackday, people are focused on driving, not on the weather, kids, being late, deadlines, hair/make-up/stubble, drinking coffee, smoking...

 

[Mike.Beardmore]

^^^ really !! (at Mark's post )

Swerving on to wet leaves becasue a car is coming at you on your side, tractor pulling out, kid running in the street ?

Still, it was illistrating how the ESP works and by putting the cars in those 'silly' situations, shows it well i think.

Each to their own opinion but it has worked well with me before. Not saying i would have stacked it with out though, just helping out.

I can see a bend up ahead, mirror, nothing behind, looking around the bend I can see leaves on the outside so I'll just adjust my speed slightly, looking again, vehicle approaching now, vehicle is straddling centre line, mirror, I'm easing right off now and he's obviously a f****** p**** so I need to act, I'm bringing my speed right down, all the time being smooth with the controls so as not to unbalance the car and cause a skid on the leaves, mirror.

Straight road ahead, I can see there's fields to the right, heavy vehicle approaching, mirror, narrow road, slight lift off, looking ahead can see field exit (often from mud/debris on the road surface),mirror, and also top of tractor above the hedge as it approaches the road, mirror, is he slowing?, mirror, I don't think he is, mirror, off throttle and covering brake now, he's definitely not stopping now, mirror, maximum braking smoothly applied.

Residential area so keeping my speed well down, scanning all the time, looking through and under the paked cars, keeping a wide margin all the time where possible, blah blah blah blah blah

You get the idea?

Are you a police advanced driver, lol. Sounds like the sort of verbal commentary I had to do when I was on my police advanced course last year!

 

[Tony Hunter]

Give it a rest!

 

[MarkCup]

Are you a police advanced driver, lol. Sounds like the sort of verbal commentary I had to do when I was on my police advanced course last year!

I'm an IAM qualified "observer".

I'll shut up now.





Thread killed! LOL

 

[Noodle999]

Yep. Is an age old saying that you pass your test and then start to learn to drive.

My driving instructor said to me in my first lesson "I'll teach you how to drive, and then I'll teach you how to pass a test... because they're two distinctly different things."

No, this is the point, most people dont. only the switched on people do. Look at the above post by noodle. If everyone thought like this there wouldnt be any accidents. but there are idiots on the road, lets face it, we've all been one at one point in our years of driving.

Indeed, saw a bunch more today... nearly saw a very nasty one, some prat in a BMW 3 series impatiently decided to pass a cyclist using a box intended for people going the other way, then s**t himself when a car was moving into the box to turn right, had to brake hard and swerve back left, just missing the cyclist and the car... could easily have ended as a huge head-on collision also involving the cyclist and a bunch of people passing down the near side of the car in the box!