immobiliser problems with explation video!

[pete_clio]

a video tells a million words.

Immob ring has been changed twice and still doing this. anyone any further ideas, i think the next step is a bloody expensive key!

sound is useful!

it might have started next time round, it might have taken another 30 goes...

 

[brisa4984]

stop + immobil light never goes out. immobiliser. hummm..mine did the same but after a few "locks" "unlocks" it was fine.

But i think theres some funky trick like holding the key button down for some time or somthing..

 

[pete_clio]

yea i can try all the locks unlocks and holds of buttons i like and it still doesnt work!

 

[Sean6545]

Does it stop cranking by its self?

 

[James.f]

Thats weird, first time it flashed continuesly(sp)
then it did normal, as that how mine is, but i leave the lights to go off

 

[pete_clio]

if i leave the lights to go off and the red immob light stays on it wont even turn over.

and yea it does stop turning over by itself...

thanks

 

[Tigger]

Try the battery in the key maybe?

 

[pete_clio]

both batterys changed last week trev

 

[James.f]

if i leave the lights to go off and the red immob light stays on it wont even turn over.

and yea it does stop turning over by itself...

thanks

:S thats how i start mine. leave all light to go off, battery and imob light still on clutch pedal in and it starts every time.. i only though i had to leave the lights to go off as it has coil plugs, (same sign on diesel cars)

 

[lemonnobby]

I would have said a key

 

[pete_clio]

both keys doing the same thing.

 

[Tigger]

Never had this one with mine when it decided no to start :S

 

[Reyes]

My mate tried this trick.

Put your headlights on first, then try ignition.

 

[pete_clio]

ill try it now as funny as that sounds...

EDIT...nope

 

[Beef-Mc]

My car just clicked when I tried to start it before, changed the battery and been fine since.

 

[pete_clio]

car battery is only a year old if that, but everything else is going fine and if it was battery i wouldnt imagine it would ever start, which it does sometimes!

keep the ideas coming! im gonna clean TDC sensor tomorrow as it appears to be a ballache at times

 

[Rob]

If it stops turning over by itself then i wouldnt think its the TDC sensor, when mine was dodgy it would turn over forever but just not start.

Have you tried disconnecting the battery for an hour or so and re-connecting, making sure all the connections are good? i.e wd40 on all terminals etc? Could be a bad connection and the car turning over shakes it loose etc?

 

[pete_clio]

i guess thats possible. i guess no harm in cleaning it anyway.

as for all the connections, ive no idea where to start to be honest. also havent tried taking the battery off.

what would be a connection that could come loose, also the fact that its intermittant and the clip computer did log the fault as the immob i find strange, unless its one of those things. ive no idea.

 

[Dave Hester]

pmd

 

[pete_clio]

still doing exactly the same thing this morning! any other suggestions?

 

[olly_mango]

mine did similar to this at weekend wouldnt start at all, its a fuse in the engine bay fuse box, 30amp. if you stand in front of the car with fuse box open, its the top left 30 amp fuse. try changing it then leave battery disconnected for 30 mins then try start it.

 

[pete_clio]

did it do the engine immob light thing as well and also soetimes start after so long?

 

[olly_mango]

immobiliser light was on all the time and wouldn't turn over at all, fuel pump wouldn't prime or anything, was basiclly dead lol

 

[pete_clio]

damn, ill have a look anyway but mine starts maybe after an hour or so of trying.

looks like

1) loose connection somewhere
2) dodgey key(s)
3) or unknown yet

 

[MikeyK18]

To me that points to the TDC sensor mate.

Quite common problem in clios. Thats what i would try.

 

[pete_clio]

does the TC sensor cause the immob light to flash? or be linked in anyway?

 

[Tigger]

Don't think so Pete

 

[Rob]

Also TDC sensor wouldn't force it to stop turning over? Have you tried disconnecting battery for 30 mins etc? Fuse also sounds like a good idea to check.

 

[pete_clio]

i havent tried the battery yet, everything apart from that and fuse at the minute. which ill try when i get home and hopefully get it on the computer.

 

[sophiesdad]

hi , check the relays (the small black ones) in the engine bay fuse box , behind the passenger headlamp , look for signs of water ingress , if so replace the relays and make sure the cover is fitted correctly.
hope this helps

 

[pete_clio]

yea im gonna go home and try every fecking thing people have said here.

do you think this is the problem and the fact the immobilisor is coming up on the clip computer isnt the cause of this problem?

also if it is a relay, what would it have had the effect on to cause this problem?

 

[vregclio]

hi pete.

im having a similar problem. i cant get the car started. i turn it over and it just wont start. the imobiliser light goes off but it dont start. then sometimes it will start on second attempt but sometimes wont start after bout 30 mins of trying. i disconnect everythin then reconnect it sometimes tht works but most of the time not.

so if u find a solution pleas let me kno

 

[sophiesdad]

if the relay has a bad connection if can give a low voltage output , which sonds to me like your system , so hopefully the relay will be the cause , als worth checking your earth straps are nice clean and secure.

 

[pete_clio]

cheers andy, ill have a look under the bonnet soon. would that have an effect on the immob light flashing too etc?

and can you tell me where the earths or at least the problematic ones would be?

cheers

 

[James.f]

Pete try this...

Earth the Battery use the black jump lead connect it to the earth point on the battery and the other end to the Starter motor ..

iirc that should solve this problem

 

[pete_clio]

i pushed all the relays in and all that, didnt really wanna start pulling things out etc. still dunno where any earths are bar the battery one.

disconnected the batter for a while i cleaned the TDC.

all back together and it started 2nd time, so far its been fine, but it could be coincidence tha it started like usual then die later on again.

 

[pete_clio]

it was indeed coincidence! dead again!

back to flashy lights and turn over but no starting as per video!

 

[mickstoke]

mine was doing this. put it on the dianostic machine and cleared all recorder faults and since it has been fine. i have to wait for the light to go off first though or it doesnt start

 

[lemonnobby]

I would say 2 faulty keys, clip logged decoder ring fault let me guess, it does this if the key signal is playing yp, im going with faulty keys. or the little black relays, dont be scared of pulling them out they wont do any harm. and one of them is the injection computer locking relay

 

[pete_clio]

yea there will be a key ordered tomorrow id think, expensive but ive tried everything thats free and able to be done cheap like a different decoder ring etc! and clip logged same fault which the reno guy said is more likely to be 2 duff keys than 2 duff rings