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Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
Is it though? Really. You forget, i've been there, done that & got the T-Shirt, hence the advice.
In fact, i had a wail of a time scraping the doorhandles off your cup at the 'ring, with just a set of DS2500's
A standard one for £1500, £500 of new brakes/tyres & £6000 worth of track days.
Mk1 MX-5 (x3), Westy
A Westfield AND an MX-5.
I think he means INSTEAD of spending such a large amount on a Clio, you could buy a faster car than a modded Clio straight off, for the same/less money.
Supercharged MX-5 or reasonable Westfield (etc) spring to mind as cars that would keep up with a quick Clio, for the same/less cash.
All that said - half the fun, for me, is doing all these modifications and getting my mitts grubby
I do think though, personally, that there is only so far you can go modding a car until it becomes 'pointless' and you should just get a faster 'base'.VERY sensible option if wanting to spend that sort of money on a trackday clio.
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
All that said - half the fun, for me, is doing all these modifications and getting my mitts grubby
Same. Hence why i still have the clio !!
In addition, when you find yourself owning a much much faster/better car than the clio, you soon realise why the clio is so awesome in the 1st place.
Its not massively quick, but it is massively fun at lowish speeds, so actually the enjoyment is actually usable on the road as well as track.
There's "fun" and there's "FUN" Dave
I had a good time throwing the same Clio around the ring with just DS2500's and brembo HC discs - it still had a full leather interior
On a 1-10 fun scale with 10 being piss your pants giggling - it was a good 7 or 8. Chasing porsches was awesome
However with a full cage, 100kg less, full group n exhaust, buckets, harnesses and ITB's it's easily an 11 on the fun scale.
Is it worth the £8-10k that it's cost to build? You bet your f**king back teeth it is!!
Westfields hold the clio up on track, so do evo's. And I am a fully s**t driver AND it's still on road tyres
Also you can't beat being a s**t load quicker on track than people who think they have a "properly quick car" in a Clio!
I had a good time throwing the same Clio around the ring with just DS2500's and brembo HC discs - it still had a full leather interior
On a 1-10 fun scale with 10 being piss your pants giggling - it was a good 7 or 8. Chasing porsches was awesome
However with a full cage, 100kg less, full group n exhaust, buckets, harnesses and ITB's it's easily an 11 on the fun scale.
Is it worth the £8-10k that it's cost to build? You bet your f**king back teeth it is!!
Westfields hold the clio up on track, so do evo's. And I am a fully s**t driver AND it's still on road tyres
Also you can't beat being a s**t load quicker on track than people who think they have a "properly quick car" in a Clio!
Evo 5 RS
Don't get me wrong my cars pretty quick but do you honestly think with a capable pilot your cup is quicker than a Westfield? lol
Very little point TBH, slightly better throttle response is about all it will achieve compared to turboing one on a single throttle and the potential for problems if the ITB's go out of balance is quite large, not to mention extra expense etc.
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
Oh dave dave dave, have I not inferred anything over these past months.
Smartuki Roadster-turbo
190-280 hp
sequential box, rear-drive
19k revs
weigh the same as a mini
182cup & 172 racecar
Half of this thread is full of crap,
At least Tony!
Depends what engines in them - the ford duratec things I had a play with were a lot slower on the straights
Compound charging is an interesting subject but probably "off topic" for this thread about a trackday clio, as you can already get more than enough power for any trackday fwd car (ie 400bhp+) from a single turbo or supercharger without it driving badly anyway.
Not a bad option, although quite hard to find a 205 that isnt rotten these days.
But at least the gearbox are stronger than the renault ones, and the cars handle just as well.
My mate steve has done exactly this, and his 205 is a PROPER weapon on track.
He can do combe in the wet as quick as I can in my 172 in the dry!
I'd like to know more about it though, any good documents / reports on it?
Not that im aware of, but if you start a topic asking about it im sure that I and others can reply with some info.
Im probably going to be doing my nova in a few months, with a small charger to aid spool and a 500bhp+ turbo for the top end stuff.
Tractor pulling is the biggest place its used, those boys go to well over 100psi with multiple turbos feeding into each other etc!
ITB'd 172 Cup
Mine is ITB'd and cammed, goes round a track aswell as 9 out of 10 cars ive come across on track, includng all the clios ive come across (so far)
Also have willwoods which helps but only raceland coilovers unfotunately, yet to try one with bilsteins or a better brand to compare.
Also have willwoods which helps but only raceland coilovers unfotunately, yet to try one with bilsteins or a better brand to compare.
ripp
ClioSport Club Member
182 FFAT
My opinion: listen to the reasonable part in you then listen to the "child" and what he really wants and then do as the stronger part tell you. The important thing is for you to enjoy the car.
This could mean the 1 year savings for some one thrown in a super charger kit or smth. this may sound stupid or even mad for other reasonable lads.
I think that if you can afford either ITB/charger/turbo than go for one, you just have to pick the mod that makes you happier, and this depends on what type of person you are. I won't point fingers at someone spending 3000 on a ITB kit or at someone who spends the same amount on brakes/tyres/suspension and driving lessons.
on topic-I'd go for the ITB kit because
1. it is bloody awesome to listen to
2. looks f***g cool under the bonnet
3. it's the most reliable way to increase power
4. you don't need 300 bhp in a clio
This could mean the 1 year savings for some one thrown in a super charger kit or smth. this may sound stupid or even mad for other reasonable lads.
I think that if you can afford either ITB/charger/turbo than go for one, you just have to pick the mod that makes you happier, and this depends on what type of person you are. I won't point fingers at someone spending 3000 on a ITB kit or at someone who spends the same amount on brakes/tyres/suspension and driving lessons.
on topic-I'd go for the ITB kit because
1. it is bloody awesome to listen to
2. looks f***g cool under the bonnet
3. it's the most reliable way to increase power
4. you don't need 300 bhp in a clio
350z, Subaru Legacy
I haven't necessarily found ITB's the most reliable. Mine aren't horribly unreliable per se, but I know someone who has a turbo-charged 172 (courtesy of Engine Dynamics) and it is very, very reliable. Makes me a little jealous, BUT the noisy pedal on my car is hard to match! Yes it's a 4 pot, but a bl**dy nice sounding one
350z, Subaru Legacy
Or if the red-line limit is set too high... :quiet:
350z, Subaru Legacy
Slightly off topic perhaps, what are peoples thoughts on the pricing for this Clio - http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3668504.htm
Seems very high to me, just wondering out of interest for how much my car is 'worth'.
Seems very high to me, just wondering out of interest for how much my car is 'worth'.
That is what I am saying, dont set the rev limit too high on standard bolts.
7500rpm is about all they are generally considered safe too for longish periods.
ripp
ClioSport Club Member
182 FFAT
I haven't necessarily found ITB's the most reliable. Mine aren't horribly unreliable per se, but I know someone who has a turbo-charged 172 (courtesy of Engine Dynamics) and it is very, very reliable. Makes me a little jealous, BUT the noisy pedal on my car is hard to match! Yes it's a 4 pot, but a bl**dy nice sounding one
turbo clio, yeah nice (I've been in a 400bhp ph1) but the poor little renault box can't handle too much torque we all know that. one more reason to go NA tuning
sound wise hmm... one turbo vs 4 trumpets.. I pick number two
turbo clio, yeah nice (I've been in a 400bhp ph1) but the poor little renault box can't handle too much torque we all know that. one more reason to go NA tuning
sound wise hmm... one turbo vs 4 trumpets.. I pick number two
Im not convinced on that torque comment TBH, I used to think the same, but im starting to think the boxes are even worse at handling revs. Its common for ITB cars to kill the box and I used to think it was cause of the small torque increase, but I now think maybe its due to the increased use of high RPM on ITB cars.
My mk1 has naff all torque (like about 130lbft or something) and yet I get through loads of boxes (early ones and also 172 ones) on track at 7800rpm a lot, where as Jack from MWM has almost exactly double that torque, but tends not to rev his over 7K (no need even on track due to the monster midrange torque) and hasnt killed a box yet.
and 95% of this forum!
To the OP. For track work, go ITB's. It eliminates any heat issues that can be suffered from forced induction, plus the better throttle response etc etc etc.
I used to have a 230ish bhp ITB 182 engine in a 172. at full chat on track it was very exciting.
Evo 5 RS
7,800 on stock rod bolts
Got some ARP ones this time round though. I never fancied keeping it up there all that much. I've never had any reliability issues with ITBs. Only problem I had when I first started out was a crappy TPS. (dodgy filter elements aside)
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7,800 on stock rod bolts
Not sure what the winky icon is all about but if you think you are correcting me that they are actually safe at 7800rpm where I say they are a big risk then you are wrong, its very much a matter of luck at those rpm on standard bolts, some people get away with it for a while, but often they dont, its just a stupid risk to be taking when it takes 2 hours and 60 quid to have it on ARP bolts!
Evo 5 RS
No the wink very much meant the opposite, it was something I just never got round to doing lol. That engine is now dead anyway (albeit not because of that)
Ah fair enough mate, so much bad information on here that its not always to spot when something is just a joke.
They fatigue over time, so you'll almost always get away with it for a while, but just not worth the risk when its such an easy fix.
Ours is limited till 7500rpm till I get round to doing it, then i'll raise it to 7800.
