Just Tried detailing a New BMW

[Cliotoby]

As i mentioned before i was detailing (or trying) my mates 118d. We as in 2 of us, spent 5 hours opn the bonnet alone. The guys at ACS have royally fucked the paintwork. I think wetasanding is in order but its not something ive done before and im a little wary of it.

Ive done a lot of merc's before and believe me they have been hard work but not impossible. i was royally stumped by how concrete like the paint was.

We did the full bonnet, but after starting the front quaters we gave up because of time. The pics dont express how bad the swirls were, they were ALL RDS ffs !!!

 

[Justin]

What a disgrace. I'd be really pissed off if my new car looked like that!

 

[Paul.]

for a 58 plate , thats in a BAD way

 

[Ali]

5hrs to do the bonnet! Were you polishin it with your face? :S Even a heavy oxidised surface shouldn't take that long to cut and refine!

Looks a decent turnaround tho!

 

[Paul.]

5hrs to do the bonnet! Were you polishin it with your face? :S Even a heavy oxidised surface shouldn't take that long to cut and refine!

Looks a decent turnaround tho!

lol

 

[JD]

Depends on the products and machine used Ali, I know it would take that long with just a DA. Orbital is necessary on VAG and Beemer paint.

 

[Dip]

IIRC Waitey had a similar problem using an orbital. BMW's are pretty hard to do with DA's

 

[Cliotoby]

for a 58 plate , thats in a BAD way

Your telling me :dapprove: think its been raped with Tcut.

5hrs to do the bonnet! Were you polishin it with your face? :S Even a heavy oxidised surface shouldn't take that long to cut and refine!

Looks a decent turnaround tho!

LOL !! We had it on Full whack with Menz Compound and a cutting pad.

 

[Ali]

Depends on the products and machine used Ali, I know it would take that long with just a DA. Orbital is necessary on VAG and Beemer paint.

I would hope it was corrected via rotary, or you've wasted 4hrs of your life! lol! VAG paint is a bit of a art, you know it's hard, so start hard and then refine slowly. BingoBango!

 

[Cliotoby]

Depends on the products and machine used Ali, I know it would take that long with just a DA. Orbital is necessary on VAG and Beemer paint.

Yeah we didnt have a rotary to hand but i think we will be investing in one at some point.

 

[Ali]

I find temp makes a good difference in the breakdown esp with menz compounds. I actually swtiched to 3M and found improvements. The Glossit range mayb worth a look if your stickin with the DA, longer work time tho.

 

[JD]

No point going anywhere near paint like that without a Rotary fella. Only on some paints will it have any affect at all (you're talking very soft, like ford paint).

 

[Ali]

new RS is a bit harder i hear....

 

[Cliotoby]

I find temp makes a good difference in the breakdown esp with menz compounds. I actually swtiched to 3M and found improvements. The Glossit range mayb worth a look if your stickin with the DA, longer work time tho.

Aye we have some 3M on the way although its well overdue. Think we will be investing in a wool pad and a rotary.

No point going anywhere near paint like that without a Rotary fella. Only on some paints will it have any affect at all (you're talking very soft, like ford paint).

Knows it mate ive learned the hard way. Ive done a few renaults and the odd ford before and they have been Piss easy.

 

[JD]

new RS is a bit harder i hear....

oRLY. Know anyone with a 200 by you lad?

 

[Ali]

Aye we have some 3M on the way although its well overdue. Think we will be investing in a wool pad and a rotary.



Knows it mate ive learned the hard way. Ive done a few renaults and the odd ford before and they have been Piss easy.

My advice with 3m would be...Don't use it on a PC!!! You mayyyy although i wouldn't advise it get away with ultrafina...get the rotary mate!

 

[Cliotoby]

My advice with 3m would be...Don't use it on a PC!!! You mayyyy although i wouldn't advise it get away with ultrafina...get the rotary mate!

Well what would you reccomend then ? Rotary and what pad and polish ? We have Menz polish and SFX pads currently (Compound, power finish and final finish. Also, would it be worth one person doing the car with the Rotary to remove the swirls, and then have another going round on the DA to ger rid of any holograms left because were both new to rotary.

 

[JD]

If there are two of you then that is a perfectly acceptable way of doing it.

 

[Ali]

yeh, ideal. Wish i had someone doing the refining...Infact i do! BEAR!

I think the polish you have is fine. I'd go for the Megs or 3m pads. I use the white menz compounding pads and then usually orange and black country lake pads.

 

[JD]

Lol, Alan's ears will be getting toasty

LLC pads are great, but my god they don't last half as long as SFX pads.

 

[Bluebeard]

I'm in the middle of doing a 1996 BMW in flat red and i've just gone through a brand new pad just doing half a bonnet and one side of the car!!

BMW paint is s**t!!

Got so fed up i've stopped for lunch! lol.

 

[Ali]

BMW paint is indeed pisch! It swirls in air!!!!!!!!

 

[Cliotoby]

If there are two of you then that is a perfectly acceptable way of doing it.

yeh, ideal. Wish i had someone doing the refining...Infact i do! BEAR!

I think the polish you have is fine. I'd go for the Megs or 3m pads. I use the white menz compounding pads and then usually orange and black country lake pads.

Fantastic lads thanks for the help, ill do that then !!

God knows how it swirls so easily Ali, its so hard. Ill invest in a cheap kestrel and a Megs cutting pad.

 

[Alastair.]

wow, thats been through a car wash most days by the looks.

 

[Ads_172]

I would say it's a bit generic to say DA will only have an effect on very soft paints...

Whilst not perfect, I made a marked improvement to my Bora's paintwork over the weekend with my DA and Menz Power Gloss. Some quite noticable marks the length of the car (from hedges brushing against the car) have been completely removed and some deeper RDS have been minimised quite considerably.

 

[BRUN]

stick with menzerna by DA, power gloss and a white menz pad can sort pretty much anything given enough time, FCP by DA just doesnt work very well IME

get some of the menz pads too, they are very good pads and are just the right size to give you some coverage but being less than 6" you can get some heat into things too

ive recently sorted the bonnet on my Skoda Fabia vRS and 3M FCP was no use at all, just couldnt work properly with it by DA, yet it works perfect by rotary

 

[JD]

That's the thing, time (while on my side) is the issue for most. It is just not economical to be doing 4 hours on half a panel. Rotary can cut this time down massively, with better results. But as you are about to say, Brun, it is harsher, meaning checks/readings need to be taken.

 

[Ali]

I've not got a PDG but i don't attack the paint too hard. Keep check on the paint temp! They did a test on DW, it took 1min of hard polishing to damage the paint in a single spot! So you'd be doing well to damage the paint if you're moving the buffer.

 

[Darren S]

I actually got lost in all that detail(ing) posted above.

The Beemer looks very nice btw - I'd be happy owning that.

D.

 

[Cliotoby]

Well hes managed to swirl the bonnet again, hes washed it properly....apparantly. lol. Also today hes managed to rim one of his 3K rims lol. Gutted.

 

[stu-172]

Well hes managed to swirl the bonnet again, hes washed it properly....apparantly. lol. Also today hes managed to rim one of his 3K rims lol. Gutted.

I swear my Black 330CI Swirls in air!