There was a standard VTR up my arse last night after a night of cruising and it obviously wanted a race. So I tried my luck, dropped into third and just floored it. The VTR has no chance, he was miles behind. I slowed down then and he caught up flashing his lights. I was really quite surprised my car performed so "well". I knew it was nippy, but didnt think Id have a chance against a VTR. Oh, and my cars a 1.4 (originally a 1.2 so still with a 4 speed gearbox)
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There was a standard VTR up my arse last night after a night of cruising and it obviously wanted a race. So I tried my luck, dropped into third and just floored it. The VTR has no chance, he was miles behind. I slowed down then and he caught up flashing his lights. I was really quite surprised my car performed so "well". I knew it was nippy, but didnt think Id have a chance against a VTR. Oh, and my cars a 1.4 (originally a 1.2 so still with a 4 speed gearbox)
having previosly owned a VTR i can say it is one of the quickest cars i have driven
when floored they pull very well up to 100mph, then tail off from there
if it was a westie (or even a badged up 1.1 with VT* arches) it wouldnt have a chance as the engines are very restricted, and produce about as much power as a hairdryer
remember. im only 20, have owned 5 cars (Escort 1.3, Uno Turbo, Fiesta 1.1, VTR, and the dynamique) the VTR obviously is one of the quickest because the others have got no power whatsoever (except the Uno TB)
the only main reason i bought the clio, was because the Saxo had grown long in the tooth, and i was beginning to get very bored of it (plus free insurance helped me make the decision)
in a race i think to 60, the westie may just win, the 8v engines seem to be very quick off the mark, in a 1/4 mile the 1.2 16v should just about win
Thats right - Smoothed Clios original shape 1.4 RT was neck and neck to 100 against a VTR. Nowt in it at all.
I doubt it was a VTR that was beaten by the 1.4 16v as although Id expect it to be close, I wouldnt expect a 1.4 16v to leave a VTR. Power to weight of the old 1.4 RT and new 1.4 16v will be similar.
the 1.2 16v Dynamique would be very close with a 1.4 saxo.. the 1.1 westie...haha no chance against the valver.
As for VTRs...well the 8 valve lump is good for low down torque but my 206 is slightly , and I say slightly , quicker to 100 than the VTR. ( 1.6 16v XSI ).
110 horses and 110 lb/ft against 98 horses , 100 ( lb .ft ?? ) with a similar power/weight ratio.
I personally dont think that it was a VTR that you raced mate, its very easier to make a Furio look like a vtr with some wheels and badging
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spot on BamBam, i was gonna say the same............got to say tho, It was my mates VTR who pulled away from a 1.4 dynamique.....he has a 2002 vtr, pipercross viper and magnex and it flies!!! Power to weight is the key in the saxos, but personally, i prefer the clio to live with day in day out
would def be interesting between the west coast / furio saxo n clio the clio 1.2 16v........id certainly stop quicker than them!!!!!!!!!!! LOLGoing alittle off topic, for what VTRS are they are top value.
Disc brakes all round, great suspension and a cracking 8v lump and cheap cheap insurance. Very similar to the VTS, but with a 6V instead of 16v engine. Saxos are the best selling small car, and that must be because they are the best value for money...
agreed with VTS dude, top value for a saxo vtr - the only thing that stopped me buying one was the cheap looking interior -sorry wasnt for me
Even with the VTS, Id have a 106 gti with the leather/alcantara interior before the VTS - add to the fact that because of my age/ geographical location I cant take advantage of the free insuranceMy old 2000 1.4S clio (75bhp) kept up with my mates VTR in a straight line (he pulled about 1car away over a 1/4mile Bypass) Then my clio left it for dead on the brakes and round the roundabout. My new clio is definately faster than my old one (and ive got ABS this time round)
He wrote off his VTR (fell asleep at the wheel on the M6!!!) hes now got a 1.48V 75bhp saxo thing so ill give him a ring and sort something out!!!!!)
The VTRs 1.6 8v is a tough as a sh*t...
There are very few engines that will handle such massive percentage increases in power so easily!
There is a certain Supercharged 206 which has a same engine g/box as the VTR that has around 230bhp using totally standard engine internals which is used everyday and has so far covered over 15,000 miles
And even if they do go bang £350 gets you a whole new low mileage engine, and aroiund £150 for a new gearbox...
Which is one of the reasons supercharging a Saxo isnt as crazy as it might first sound
raced the old VTR many times, same bloke, same black standard VTR. old style and its near enough dead heat, id only pull away by about an extra half a car over him and thats up to 105 then we slow down cos lack of road.
There nothing special other than the supercharged beast of one that killed absolutely me on my way to southend
I have the 1.2 16v Dynam and @ Crail raced the West and East Coasts and the VTR.
Off the line I beat all of them to 60ft, even the VTR!
I murdered the East Coast, drew 2 each with the West Coast (17s have no top end acceleration!) and the VTR left me with about a 3 car lead, at least.
Saying that though, on the way to the hotel later that night I managed to overtake the VTR on the country lanes and he eventually spun it trying to catch me, they may be quick but the back end on them is plain dangerous, Ive been in rwd cars that dont break as quickly as they do.
Clio is better specd, better to drive, and if u race a 1.4 vs a 1.4 the Clio will win every time. To be honest straight line speed has never intrested me,I prefer to take the twisties on and come out laughing
1.2 16V Clio Dynamique handles better than a VTR...
I think Ive heard it all now!!!
"Its got pretty much the same set up as a 172"
Its pretty much the same in which ways?
Different springs, therefore different dampers, and different track therefore totally different suspension geometry.
Of all the car magazines Ive read I have yet to have seen one that rates the 1.2 16V Clio Dynamique as a match for the VTR/S
Im not expecting them to beat me... I havent mentioned my S/C in this thread...
Oh and the reason I put an air pump on my car was because i enjoy the look of utter disbelief on the drivers of so called sports cars as a small french hothatch sh*ts on them from a great height!
Hi this is my first post
Right. Enough of the introductions
I think the idea the rear end of a Saxo is dangerous is a bit overstated.
Go into the corner at a sensible speed then increase the pace to balance understeer. But if you back off the throttle mid bend at speed, be ready with your lift off oversteer techniques
In the right hands a car that has lift off oversteer will beat anything round bends, thats why the 205 1.9GTi and the Saxos had been designed to lift off. Its fun and "on the edge" and has the potential to give amazing results. Thats one reason why Saxos are popular because they dont "dial out the danger" and they really reward good driving.
On the flip side though, they can punish really bad driving
If you want safe get a Zetec-S, although I cant comment on Clios having never driven one, Im looking foward to playing in a 172 as I have a lot of respect for those engines, oh and the willy
