PROBLEMS & SOLUTIONS
Here we look at some of the most common problems encountered when using a machine polisher and solutions for countering them.
POOR CORRECTION
When starting to machine polish a car, you should always test on a small area a group of combinations starting from the lightest first and work up to the required aggression to get the correction you want. Sometimes however, a polish and pad combination doesn’t give the expected results on paintwork. For example, if you have a car with a reputation for soft paint (Honda Civic) and a medium abrasive polish such as Meguiars #83 Dual Action Cleaner polish isn’t removing light swirls, you would be quite surprised by this. Also, if you get to the top of the abrasive scale and are not getting the desired correction then this is also a problem.
CAUSES
Poor levels of correction can be caused by a variety of things. One of the most common causes is not fully working the polish that you have (which can also lead to micromarring in the finish – see below). Consider the typical working on a diminishing abrasive polish shown below.
If the polish is not worked for long enough then you stop before the abrasives have fully worked and the level of cut is not as much as is possible for the polish. Polishes with slower working abrasives (for example Meguiars #80-series) take longer to cut, and require more passes to work them – not fully using the abrasives in them will result in a lower cut than expected.
Sometimes, the polish can dry out before the abrasives have been fully worked. The residue will look like it has gone clear at this stage, despite the fact the abrasives have not fully worked. This can be caused by working too large an area at a time, or by working in high temperatures or direct sunlight. Additionally, some polishes are naturally dry – for example Farecla G3.
In cases where the swirls and scratches are very deep, the level of correction may not be of the standard you would expect. As shown above, for deep scratches, a significant amount of paint must be removed in order to correct them with mechanical abrasives. To achieve this, especially on hard paints, requires a lot of time and aggressive abrasives (where safe!).
On rare occasions, you may find that some cars have swirls that are underneath the clear coat as shown in the picture below.
In the rare event of below clear coat swirls (generally a result of a poor paint repair), the removal of the top layer of paint by machine polishing will make no difference to the marks. In fact it will be impossible to correct these swirls without resrpay work!
SOLUTIONS
If you are faced with a correction level which is lower than you expect, first of all check that you are working the polish thoroughly to get the best of the abrasives. Ensure you are making enough passes to take the abrasives through from their initial cutting stage to their finishing stage – this typically takes between 10 and 20 passes at the higher speeds depending on the polish. Make sure that the residue goes clear before you stop the machine and assess the correction. Try increasing the number of passes with the polish to see if this improves the correction.
Check the area that you are working – it should be no larger than around 18” square. If you find the polish struggling with this size of area, try reducing to 12” square as this will focus the work down and work break down the abrasives more thoroughly. Too large a work area can also cause the polish to dry out too quickly, reducing the number of passes available to you so reducing this can increase the amount of cut (and improve the finish) from a polish.
If a polish seems to be drying out too fast, first of all ensure you are not working in direct sunlight and if you can avoid working in high temperatures where the body panels are hot. Reducing the work area can often help as if it is too large a polish can dry out as it spends too long untouched by the pad. In the case wher a polish is drying out, try spritxing you pad with some water or quick detailer spray and then start to polish again as this will give you a few more passes to continue working the abrasives with most polishes. Some naturally dry polishes such as G3 require regular spritzes with water – when doing this, use light sprays of water often rather than lots of water irregularly. The latter method can lead to splatter and results in a lot of mess.
Deeper marks are very tough to deal with by machine polishing. For very severe marks, it may be necessary to wet sand the paintwork to get the desired correction in good time. However, repeated hits with a compound will deliver the same result in a lot more time – so in some cases it is simply a case of being patient and repeating with multiple hits on a single area. The Slow Cut Method discussed below may come in useful here. However, this comes with a health warning! Remember that every time you polish, you are removing paint. Ensure that you do not remove too much paint in the quest for perfection as once the paint is gone, its gone! Much better to leave the odd deep mark here and there and have plenty of paint left than to risk striking through just for the extra little bit of correction.
In the case of swirls inflicted below the clear coat, the only solution here is to respray the car as to get to them, the top most layer of paint would have to be removed.
MICROMARRING
Micromarring is a generic term used to describe machine induced marring that is left on the paintwork after polishing. Typical micromarring from a PC is shown in the picture below on a Peugeot 307 door.
The above door was treated to Menzerna S34A Power Gloss on a Menzerna 5” White Compounding pad – one of the most aggressive combinations around for a DA polisher! The induced micromarring can be seen to cause a haze around the light rather than a sharp reflection and closer inspection reveals lots of little circular marks that are causing this.
CAUSES
One of the main causes of micromarring when using a dual action polisher is the use of aggressive compounds and coarse pads. The gentle nature of a dual action machine means that with aggressive compounds, the abrasives are often not fully broken down and this leads to micromarring. Compounds such as Menzerna S34A Power Gloss and Meguiars #85 Diamond Cut Compound can easily leave marks of their own when used in polishing. The softer the paint, the more prone to machine induced marring it is.
Another cause of micromarring is not thoroughly working a polish. As discussed above, most polishes use diminishing abrasives which break down throughout the polishing set. If you stop before fully working the polish then the abrasives don’t make it to the finishing stage and the result is marring left by them when they are still in their aggressive cutting stage. The example on a Lotus Excel below shows this.
EXAMPLE: LOTUS ELAN
Shown in the picture below are moderate swirls in the bonnet of a white Lotus Excel.
Using a medium abrasive polish and pad combination of Meguiars #83 Dual Action Cleaner polish on a light cutting pad, the picture below shows the results of not fully working the polish.
All of the swirls have been removed but definite micromarring can be seen (little close together circular marks). The abrasives in the polish are still cutting quite aggressively at this stage, as if the machine was stopped between the moderate and light cutting stages in the diagram below.
Working the polish for more passes delivered the results shown in the picture below.
We can now see that the swirls have been fully removed and the finish is free from micromarring. Working the polish for longer has allowed the abrasives to fully break down and refine the finish after the cutting stage.
The use of too much polish can also cause micromarring as it means that you struggle to fully break down all the abrasives. In addition to this, ensure the pad does not become clogged with product as this will reduce the effectiveness of the pad and can easily induce marring especially on softer paints.
Marring can also be caused by dirt in the pad scouring the surface.
SOLUTIONS
In cases where an aggressive compound and pad combination is required, some micromarring left in the finish is an inevitable consequence. The best solution is to follow the application of an aggressive combo with a light finishing combo such as Menzerna PO106FF Final Finish on a Meguiars W8006 polishing pad. The lighter abrasives can be easily broken down and will remove the micromarring left by the compound. The two stages allow correction of severe swirls and a high clarity deep gloss finish.
If a lighter abrasive polish is inducing micromarring, ensure you are fully working the polish as illustrated above. This makes sure you are getting the polish to the finishing stages and refining the finish with very light cutting abrasives. You can gauge the working of a polis by the residue – it should go clear as discussed above.
If the residue goers clear but the polish is still leaving micromarring, check to make sure the polish isn’t drying out too fast. If this seems to be a problem, consider using a spritz of water to lengthen the work time or reduce the area you are polishing to help prevent the product from drying out. If you are convinced the polish is being fully broken down, yet it is still leaving micromarring then step down to a much lighter cutting finishing combo to refine the finish – this may be necessary on softer paints.
Keep the pad surface clean and free from residues. Regular spur the pad with a brush (a toothbrush will work well) to remove dried polish residue which can cause marring. Also ensure at this stage that the pad is free from any dirt and grit that can scour the finish. Remove any dirt immediately or switch to a clean pad. You can reduce the risk of picking up dirt by taping regions which can trap it, for example plastic and rubber trim.
DUST
Large amounts of dust can be a problem when machine polishing, finding its way into every nook and cranny and leaving you with a large task to fully clean the car up!
CAUSES
Some products, especially heavier cutting compounds such as Menzerna Power Gloss and Farecla G3, are naturally quite dusty by nature. The polishes are quite dry and as a result they can generate a lot of dust when polishing, especially in hot and dry conditions. Some polishes will create dust in certain working conditions.
Large amounts of dust can also be caused by the use of too much polish. This can become clotted in the pad, dry up and product dust. Hot and dry conditions can magnify the effects of this.
SOLUTIONS
To help keep dust at bay with a dry polish, regularly spritz the pad with a little water or quick detailer. This keeps the polish wetter and for many will reduce the amount of dust produced. Be careful not to use too much water however as this can adversely affect the working of the polish and can also lead to splatter which is just as messy but harder to clean up!
Also ensure that you are not using too much polish on the pad. A couple of skittle sized beads of polish is typically enough for an 18” square area after the pad is initially primed. Keep the pad surface clean and free from dried residue which can cause dust in later polishing sets. If a pad becomes badly clogged during a detail, switch to a clean pad.
STRIKE THROUGH
So far, all of the problems discussed can be easily and inexpensively solved. Strike through is a different kettle of fish! Strike through is the term used to describe polishing through the top most layer to the underlying layer as shown in the picture below.
In this example, the clear coat has been fully removed in this area and the colour coat revealed. This is repairable only by respraying the paintwork!
EXAMPLE: PEUGEOT 307
Shown in the picture below is strike through of the clear coat on a blue Peugeot 307 door.
In daylight, this damage is quite hard to see – the strike through area is slightly lighter than the surrounding paintwork (just above the finger) and lacks the gloss. The effects can be more clearly seen under a bright light as shown in the pictures below - strike through area on the left.
This is clear damage which requires an expensive repair. The first warning of strike through comes from visually checking the paintwork as you work – any evidence of a strange change in colour should raise the alarm bells! Also, the pad will turn the colour of the paintwork as shown in the picture below.
This pigmentation of the pad is normal for two-pack paintwork where there is no clear coat but is indicative of damage on a finish where the is a lacquer layer! Strike through can also occur on two-pack finishes where you would go through to the underlying base coat.
Checking the paint thickness on the struck through area we can see a reading of between 70 and 80um… While this thickness would still be okay for some cars, clearly for this Peugeot 307, this was too thin! Numbers in this region should also bring about caution when machine polishing!
CAUSES
Strike through is caused by using too aggressive a polish and pad combination on paint which is too soft. This results in the removal of too much clear coat. Do not panic however! Providing you exercise caution when machine polishing, strike through is a rare occurrence.
SOLUTIONS
Prevention is better than cure! If possible always check the paint thickness on any vehicle you are planning on polishing. Be sure to take many paint readings, as a car can have local thin spots which are quite small in area and easily missed. In regions where the paint is thin, exercise a lot of caution and don’t use aggressive cutting combos. Always monitor the thickness of paint being removed during the initial testing to see who hard or soft the paint is which will give you an idea of which combos are safe on which thicknesses.
If you don’t have access to a paint thickness gauge, then take comfort in the fact that strike through is a rare occurrence. Exercise caution, and don’t use aggressive combos unless absolutely necessary. If the paintwork seems soft, the use of aggressive cutting compounds is not recommended. Obviously there will be a small risk as any local thin spots will go unnoticed with no thickness gauge, but they are rare and you should not encounter any problems.
In the event of strike through, there is only one solution – a respray!
SPECIAL TECHNIQUES
The above guide covers the generics of machine polishing. Here we look at some of the special techniques you can try to get a little extra out of your dual action polisher.
THE SLOW CUT METHOD
This technique was developed to get increased cut from a dry style compound such as Menzerna Power Gloss by making better use of the abrasives. The regular spritzes of QD here allow the polish to be worked for longer delivering more cut which is particularly useful on harder paints.
THE TECHNIQUE
- Apply a spray of water to the pad to wet it, and then apply some polish or compound to the pad.
- Work on a very small area at a time - roughly 1' square, nothing more. Dab the machine around this area to apply the polish.
- Turn the machine on at speed 3. Support the weight of the machine, one hand underneth the back to hold it up and the other on the handle/head to guide direction without applying weight to the machine. Any hold is good though, so long as there is no weight over the head of the PC. Move the polisher slowly across the area in overlapping strokes, at a speed of around 1/2" per second - very slowly. You should get around ten passes before the polish starts to go clear and look like its drying and ready to buff off.
- Rather than buff off the residue, spray the pad with some more water and repeat the above step. Speed 3, no weight, very slow passes. The polish hazes up again and you have more work time. Make more slow passes until the polish begins to go clear again.
- After two hits at speed 3, spray the pad with water and move onto speed 5, again no weight and no pressure and make slow passes by moving the PC at about 1/2" per second.
- Finally, spray the pad with water again, and move to speed 6 and this time apply pressure to the PC for a final single pass over the area at about 1" per second. The polish will likely be pretty clear after this stage, so buff off the residue. If you examine the pad, I found that it actually looked quite clean after this, very little white polish left there.
- If you've used an aggressive compound, you will induce micromarring with this method, but this can be easily removed using a finishing polish.
CLEAR PLASTICS & GLASS
As well as paintwork, the dual action polisher can also be used to polish and/or cleanse clear plastics and glass, for example lights and windscreens. For clear plastics, techniques discussed above for paints apply. Glass on the other hand is very hard and defect correction would be very difficult. However a dual action polisher can be used to enhance the amount of cleaning power available from a glass polish such as 1Z Glas Polish.
ROUNDING UP
We have seen that machine polishing can deliver significant improvements to a car’s paint finish – from removing swirls and scratches, to restoring the colour and giving the best possible depth and clarity from the paintwork.
In this guide, the basics of machine polishing by dual-action polishing were covered along with generic techniques to get the best from the tool. Nothing can beat practice however, and as you learn machine polishing you will develop your own techniques that will get the best results for you. The methods discussed here are meant purely as a guide to get you started.
The biggest gains in quality of finish on a car’s paintwork can be made by machine polishing – this removes or reduces swirl marks, scratches, etching, oxidisation and staining. In addition to this, the abrasives refine the finish which allows for a deep gloss and high clarity to the paintwork that will turn heads at any car show. If you are keen to take your car’s finish to the next level, there is no doubt that machine polishing will deliver you impressive results.
The market is filled with loads of possible combinations of pad and product. As is quite often the case in marketed products, each one claims to be better than the next – this can lead to a lot of confusion! At the end of the day however, all of the polishes on the market are just as capable as the rest: what differs on the whole are the working characteristics. The differing characteristics of each polish result in personal preferences in brands – but this is more down to different people have different techniques than one product being significantly better than the other.
When starting out with machine polishing, you want to ensure that you have a suitable range of polish and pad combinations to achieve good results on the majority of finishes. Buying every polish and pad under the sun will allow just about every job to be tackled within reason. However you can also set yourself up for the majority of tasks with just a couple of polishes and a few pads!
To start out, a finishing polish and a medium cutting polish would be a good starting point, with finishing and polishing foam pads to go along with these in both 4” and 6” sizes. An example of possible good starting polishes would be Meguiars #80 Speed Glaze and Meguiars #83 Dual Action Cleaner polish (or equivalents from other manufacturers). The light cutting polish will serve as a polish for light swirls on all paints, and more moderate marring on softer paints. It will also serve as a finishing polish to follow the use of more aggressive polishes. The medium cutting polish will serve to remove more moderate marring from most paint types and on the harder ones it will also finish down ready for a wax. Combined, polishes of this type will give you a great base for tackling the majority of cars and you can then build from this as you experience the need for differing correction.
It is important to learn a polish. Best results will come with practice and learning the characteristics of how a polish breaks down and how many passes and at what pressure and speed are required. Experiment, and enjoy getting pursuing the best results you can achieve from a specific product rather than changing products in the quest for the holy grail of a perfect finish.
Machine polishing is a time consuming process. The polishes must be properly broken down in order to get the best from them and this takes time – typically a good five minutes per 12 – 18” square section. Don’t be tempted to rush your car when machine polishing. Take the time required and you will be rewarded with the finish you achieve.
The most important thing with machine polishing is to relax and enjoy making your car’s paintwork look as best as it can. Using a dual action polisher can become a chore if you are tense and worried about the finish you are achieving – and it is at this stage that mistakes and poor finishes are more likely to occur. If you relax you will find the task more enjoyable and your results will also likely be better.
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Special thanks to:
- Epoch
- Snowwolf
- Mark J
- Johnnyopolis
for the use of photographs to creat this guide! :thumb: