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MK2 172 Aircon Unit



  Turbo'd MX-5 MK4


can someone please explian how the aircon unit works, as at the moment i am unable to use mine, as when i turn it on it just stinks of rotten eggs. Is there something that needs to be re-filled or what? the car is 18 months old, and has only recently had its 24k service? (exactly a month ago)??

cheers.

Gaz
 
  Turbo'd MX-5 MK4


how often does it need to be replaced? A warranty item, or a service item? i.e should it have been done in the 24k service?

thanks again
 

KDF

  Audi TT Stronic


No it wont be done at service time, technicaly it should never need re-gassed, but it does, especially if there is a leak.

I had mine re-gassed and 2 pipes replaced on a 8 month old 172.. (done under warranty) its crazy that an 8 month old car could have leaks in the aircon already ! fixed now though, came in VERY handy while waiting in traffic yesterday..
 
  Turbo'd MX-5 MK4


this is what i mean though, if it can go anytime, how much is it going to cost when the warranty has run out, its the same with the stupid bloody washer jets which fall off! Who is going to pay for them? Pain in the a*se.
 
  Turbo'd MX-5 MK4


where exactly is all the work done? in the engine bay? (all the pipes and things?) sorry, dont really know much about the gubbins.
 

KDF

  Audi TT Stronic


Ye the compressor and all the pipework is under the bonnet. you will see silver pipes with little taps on them, thats what carries the refrigerant. the compresser is further down below.

Aircon works on the principal of a liquid evaportating into a gas = cooling. Ever sprayed deodarant onto your hand and blown on it.. feels cold eh ! thats cause the liquid (normall alcohol) is being converted into a gas comonly reffered to as evaporation.

[Edited by _KDF on 5/17/2004 12:04:02 PM]
 
  172 cup,s2 rs turbo


an aircon system uses a refridegarant called r134a. this evaporates at -30c. there are two versions of the system. the one explained is the later version that will be on your 172.this is basically how it works:-

1,the r134a comes out of the compressor in gas form at about 10-15 bar pressure.

2,the r134a enters the condensor where it cools and condensors into liquid form.it then leaves the condensor in liquid form.

3,the r134a goes through a regulation valve on the bulkhead. as the r143a comes out of the other side of the valve the pressure drops to about 3 bar and the liquid goes into a droplet form.

4,the r134a now passes through the evaporator in droplet form. air is passed through fins on the evaporator before it enters the heater/air distribution box. as the air passes through it transfers its heat into the r134a (like a radiator but in reverse).

5,as the r134a absorbs the heat from the air it evaporates into a gas. the r134a leaves the evaporator in gas form.

6,the r134a passes back through a return channel on the regulator valve. the regulator valve has a sensing bulb on it that meassures the return r134a tempurature. this tempurature determines how much r134a the regulator lets into the evaporator in step 3.

7,the r134a goes through a cylinder unit called a reciever dryer. this removes any moisture from the r134a and collects any r134a that didnt evaporate. if r134a enters the compressor in liquid form it will damage the compressor.

8,the r134a leaves the reciever dryer and re-enters the compressor. the cycle goes back to step 1.

note- the compressor output is contolled by the aircon panel. it is a variable compressor so will stay on for most of the time as its output can be changed rather than just being an on/off compressor like on old systems. it will still completly turn off on full throttle though. compressor drive (the clutch) is activated by the injection computer after the aircon panel has requested it and all conditions are met eg-vehicle not on full throttle etc. the condensor is at the front of the car in front of the radiator. the compressor,regulator valve and reciever dryer are under the bonnet. the evaporator is inside the car or in the scuttle panel depending on model.
 
  172 cup,s2 rs turbo


Quote: Originally posted by Gaz2130 on 17 May 2004


can someone please explian how the aircon unit works, as at the moment i am unable to use mine, as when i turn it on it just stinks of rotten eggs. Is there something that needs to be re-filled or what? the car is 18 months old, and has only recently had its 24k service? (exactly a month ago)??

cheers.

Gaz





i would change the particle filter if it has one and get some aircon cleaner that you spray down your dash heater vents.
 
  172 cup,s2 rs turbo


forgot to mention in my other post that the compressor is driven by the engine via a rubber belt. the drain the compressor gives on the engine is meassurred in watts and can be shown on renault diag equipment.
 


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