modified cars safer

[SupraConcept]

i was well bored jus now, so i thort i mite clean my car.

Well one thing led 2 another n i ended up puttin my old steelies back on (after driving for 5000miles on 205,40,17 toyo proxes) n took my car for a spin. i went to test the grip of the tyres in the wet with a firm brake and my wheels locked up, quite surprising how easy it was! Then around the corners my wheels were slippin n slidin everywhere!

So put my toyos back on in a flash!

It jus goes to show that when uv modified ur car, u take much more for granted, like braking later and entering corners faster.

i think i wud probably kill myself if i went back to a standard car, modified cars are by far much safer when it comes to braking and avoiding hazards!

 

[RobFenn]

But does your modified car encourage you to go faster...and take more risks?

 

[SupraConcept]

i dont think having a modified car encourages you to go faster when going from A to B, but on a sunny day in the country side then, yes. but thats jus my view, plus i cant afford to drive fast with the price of petrol!

 

[RobFenn]

I always go fast when im alone in the car, otherwise i drive like a gran.

-Rob

 

[Scudetto]

my gran does drive faster that me. The deaf old bat even has the points to prove it.

g

 

[RobFenn]

My grandparents drive a red Nissan Micra...need i say more?

-Rob

 

[Scudetto]

yup - means youll inherit it!

g

 

[SupraConcept]

lol! my gramps drives a volvo estate, he drives so slow that he should be a funeral driver!

i once got over taken by an old granny, whilst learning to drive!

 

[Scudetto]

i once got overtaken by my gran! double

 

[SupraConcept]

hahaha

 

[billabong]

Some mods make the car safer, like better brakes, but some mods like suspension mods can make ur car a death trap, Ive heard of a few cars going off the road due to incorrect suspension setups, ive always been reluctant to modify my suspension.

 

[weight]

better brakes can INCREASE stopping distances!

if all 4 corners are not upgraded.

 

[Ken]

how can better brakes increase stopping distances ?? surely if just the front are better then you will stop quicker

 

[weight]

nope, thats what people generally think!

Balancing Brake Upgrades

Fact: when upgrading your braking system, you need to upgrade all four corners. Do not upgrade the front brakes only. This will actually decrease your overall braking performance in racing.

http://www.turnfast.com/tech_brakes/brakes_balancing.lassohttp://www.turnfast.com/tech_brakes/brakes_balancing.lasso

 

[Ken]

cant get the link to work

 

[weight]

Brake System


Front tire force
at limit braking


Available rear tire
braking force


Total
stopping force



Stock


1,245 lbs


698 lbs


1, 943 lbs



Front Pads


1,245 lbs


511 lbs


1,756 lbs



Front Rotor and Pads


1,245 lbs


428 lbs


1,673 lbs



All Four Rotors and Pads


1,245 lbs


711 lbs


1,956

 

[weight]

The main reason for brake upgrades is heat related, and fook all to do with stopping distances!

If u want to stop quicker, run slicks!

 

[Ken]

um, sorry to sound thick but what does that prove ? doesnt it say if your rear brakes are better youll stop quicker.

 

[weight]

Quote: Originally posted by Ken on 06 June 2003

how can better brakes increase stopping distances ?? surely if just the front are better then you will stop quicker

your now asking a different question to what u started with!

 

[Ken]

no just trying to make sense of the chart, not sure what its saying

 

[weight]

the point im trying to make is, weight transfer is a MAJOR factor, not just boshing on 300mm discs and high performance pads.........

 

[Ken]

ok cool, just trying to understand

 

[weight]

k dude! have a look at that website! its pretty cool if you can spare an hour or two!

 

[BenR]

um, how can the fronts be a constant whilst being the only parts that change?

Its just pointing out that your tyres are the limiting factor.

Also, how does the rear coheision change?

Surely if the front available braking force is a constant due to the tyre, no matter what setup your running your limited to this "poundage" so the amount of weight transfer will not change because your still at the same limit.........the pads and discs will prevent fade and effort being lost. Thats totally contradictory!

 

[weight]

i think there trying to point out that, a increased brake bias to the front will make for a light back end, reducing rear cohesion!

but, as you say, the front grip avalible should be constant regardless of front setup!

 

[BenR]

but thats just it, the bias hanst changed.....if the front force is constant, then the rear force as a result wont change either, if the front increased then i could accept a rear decrease, but it doesnt happen.........

is there small text saying they jummped on teh pedal at different rates? lol

 

[weight]

perhaps there stock fronts couldnt take the tyres to there limit of cohesion!