Quote: Originally posted by docter fox on 29 December 2004
no offence intended but just because they deal with motorsport doesnt mean they do yours as they would one of their cars, and this laser allignment could just mean your wheels all point the same way
They deal soley with alignment and specialise in motorsports related cars, so i could safely say they know a sh*te sight more than you and they have all the correct highly accurate equipment to do the job.
it may handle better (id guess because of coilovers not the height) but IMHO the only way you can be sure they are set up right is to either have a team tweaking the settings or to actually know what your doing and set it up yourself The ride height is going to play a part in the handling but you are correct in saying that this is not the only factor effecting the handling characteristics. My personal car was set up by experts and as i do not compete feel no need to alter it like you would according to differing tracks if it was being used for competition use.
but i have neither,
but then im happy with the way my car handles, and i strongly doubt that anyones car on here is set up right(and what information are you basing this sweeping generalisation?), but then again aslong as the owner is happy with the way their car handles then isnt that the point of modifying your own car.......youre happy then dont no-one is forcing to you, we arent so we do and we notice an improvement.
it just annoys me when people say their cars quicker because its lower as to them it feels "sportier" which doesnt mean its quicker! I can comment on what others may have said but i didnt say that about it i merely stated that i and others had noticed an improvement in the cars handling, if as a bi product this makes people feel more confident driving the car faster then so be it
and as for the point about looking at rally cars, well you must be joking! you cant just look and say "ooh they have bigger wheels and sit lower on tarmac", they spend lots of £££ using "professional experts" to set up the "suspension" for each race, not just to choose bigger wheels and lower height, you cant just assume itll transfer over to your car, did you change your gearing for bigger wheels?
i have not and will not be increasing the size of my wheels and no i wont be changing the gearing lets not get silly now eh. Any fool can see the wheel size and ride height difference between tarmac and other surface set ups i might not be able to tell you exact ride heights wheel and tyre size combinations for each different event but you can actually see when they are being worked on between stages the massive difference between the tarmac set ups and gravel/snow/sand
"If you simply want to lower your car to improve looks fair play to you. It will look sh*t, but each to their own"
wasnt my motivation to modify my suspension but as you rightly said "each to their own"
lol, everyone will modify their car to what they want from it and how they want it to look and i understand that, just dont say its a lot better because its lower without any proof, ie objective times, not subjective "well it feels better"
so now we need facts and figures ? didnt realise that, ill set up a track day with a professional driver to run two identical cars (because we all know 172s have the same power output out of the factory... NOT) one with OE set up and one with correcty installed and set up coilovers and pay for all of this just to prove a point.
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Newbie flame-ball thread - Lowering = poo
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Quote: Originally posted by Tom on 29 December 2004
What a f**king pointless thread.If your not into driving then get the bus.How anyone can say something cant be improved upon is beyond me.I have a huge list of stuff that ive binned from my 182Here is some...STD Exhaust: its not built to last and it weighs a tonneSTD Stereo: No mp3 support and it sounds sh*t.STD Air filter: poor throttle response STD Suspension: its superb for std kit, but the thing still has body roll dives under braking, the ride is harsh and its too high.And no doubt i will continue to improve the 182 until it becomes the car i want it to be.The suggestion that coilovers and the like are developed fo chavs is short sighted, anyone whos owned them wont go back to std suspension for long.Coilovers not only have more development hours put into them to make them better but they also are better quality than OE parts.Some people on here need to have a think before they babble sh*te.
its making my head hurt Tom make it stop, lol
im off to bash my head against a wallm there really is no telling some people.
Quote: Originally posted by Tom on 29 December 2004
What a f**king pointless thread.If your not into driving then get the bus.How anyone can say something cant be improved upon is beyond me.I have a huge list of stuff that ive binned from my 182Here is some...STD Exhaust: its not built to last and it weighs a tonneSTD Stereo: No mp3 support and it sounds sh*t.STD Air filter: poor throttle response STD Suspension: its superb for std kit, but the thing still has body roll dives under braking, the ride is harsh and its too high.And no doubt i will continue to improve the 182 until it becomes the car i want it to be.The suggestion that coilovers and the like are developed fo chavs is short sighted, anyone whos owned them wont go back to std suspension for long.Coilovers not only have more development hours put into them to make them better but they also are better quality than OE parts.Some people on here need to have a think before they babble sh*te.
its making my head hurt Tom make it stop, lol
im off to bash my head against a wall there really is no telling some people.
Quote: Originally posted by Loony on 29 December 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Willy Williams on 29 December 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Loony on 29 December 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Roy Munson on 29 December 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Loony on 29 December 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Roy Munson on 29 December 2004OK well sorry, it seems your preference is for skinny arch gaps and nothing else. Read my original post dude
erm how about you read my posts, my reason for buying the coilovers was the vastly improved hanling characteristics they gave, if you knew anything about me, my car or reasons for it you would aslo know i did not have them at their lowest setting, as for the arch gap i said i preferred the lower look but this was not my motivation to change the suspension. If i had the choice of lower but no improvement in handling, or same rideheight yet the charachteristics the coilovers gave then the latter is what i would opt for.
how about you talk to one of the numerous people on the forum WHO HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN IN MY 172 WITH THE COILOVERS FITTED and see what they have to say about them ?
Hmm well I would, but Im not really that bothered to be honest. Sorry if I caused offence - I just dont see the point in lowering a standard road car, not passing judgement on those that do, as I already clearly stated. Take a pill dude
Go out in a 172 that has had good quality coilovers fitted and correctly set up drive it back to back against one running OE set up and youll see why, thats all im saying. My mates ex used to bang on about me and him "pissing cash away on quick cars" saying why dont we buy a 1.2 and save money on petrol and insurance. Anyway one day she had to drive his car and was instantly hooked she loved it and could finally understand why. Thats all im saying, 1st experience then you have a more educated viewpoint.
Well if your mates ex says coilovers are an inprovement in handling im convinced.
my mates ex had not been in the 172 it was prior to this all im saying is that until she had been in and driven a hothatch she didnt see the point just like you dont see the point when you have not driven my car before and after the coilovers were fitted
How many miles had the old suspension done when you changed to coilovers?
About 7k miles, it was a mk2 172 i owned it from new and after 7k miles i changed the OE kit for coilovers. Drastic improvement, took out the bodyroll, had a bit more neg camber, gripped better in bends turn in was sharper and faster. Felt alot more poised and planted in particular at motorway speeds where the OE set-up felt floaty and nervous. The actual ride quality on poorer road surface was improve which i would say was mainly due to the coilovers having a softer rate helper spring rather than one linear rate or proggressive spring trying to do the job.
the cars for your own use and your happy with it and so am iQuote: Originally posted by Loony on 29 December 2004
Quote: Originally posted by docter fox on 29 December 2004
no offence intended but just because they deal with motorsport doesnt mean they do yours as they would one of their cars, and this laser allignment could just mean your wheels all point the same way
They deal soley with alignment and specialise in motorsports related cars, so i could safely say they know a sh*te sight more than you and they have all the correct highly accurate equipment to do the job.
i never said i knew more than them, but even someone who doesnt know what a coilover is could point out that professional people dont always do things right...
it may handle better (id guess because of coilovers not the height) but IMHO the only way you can be sure they are set up right is to either have a team tweaking the settings or to actually know what your doing and set it up yourself The ride height is going to play a part in the handling but you are correct in saying that this is not the only factor effecting the handling characteristics. My personal car was set up by experts and as i do not compete feel no need to alter it like you would according to differing tracks if it was being used for competition use.
just because it was set up by experts doesnt mean its right! IMO the best way to set up a car is for you to drive it and be able to tell the mechanics (or do yourself) the changes you want
but i have neither
but then im happy with the way my car handles, and i strongly doubt that anyones car on here is set up right(and what information are you basing this sweeping generalisation?), the fact that F1 teams can spend weeks sorting out their suspension before its right which would include driving, changing, driving changing etc, not just fitting, driving, adjustment and done but then again aslong as the owner is happy with the way their car handles then isnt that the point of modifying your own car.......youre happy then dont no-one is forcing to you, we arent so we do and we notice an improvement. im modifying my 2.0 kitcar as i didnt see the 1.2 clio as a good base car to get what i want from a car
it just annoys me when people say their cars quicker because its lower as to them it feels "sportier" which doesnt mean its quicker! I can comment on what others may have said but i didnt say that about it i merely stated that i and others had noticed an improvement in the cars handling, if as a bi product this makes people feel more confident driving the car faster then so be it it still doesnt mean the car itself is quicker, but i can see where your coming from about the driver feeling it easier and safer to drive quicker
and as for the point about looking at rally cars, well you must be joking! you cant just look and say "ooh they have bigger wheels and sit lower on tarmac", they spend lots of £££ using "professional experts" to set up the "suspension" for each race, not just to choose bigger wheels and lower height, you cant just assume itll transfer over to your car, did you change your gearing for bigger wheels?
i have not and will not be increasing the size of my wheels and no i wont be changing the gearing lets not get silly now eh. sorry got a lil bit carried away
"If you simply want to lower your car to improve looks fair play to you. It will look sh*t, but each to their own"
wasnt my motivation to modify my suspension but as you rightly said "each to their own" that was taken from someone else earlier in the thread i was just agreeing
lol, everyone will modify their car to what they want from it and how they want it to look and i understand that, just dont say its a lot better because its lower without any proof, ie objective times, not subjective "well it feels better"
so now we need facts and figures ? not necessarily but id believe them over someones stories didnt realise that, ill set up a track day with a professional driver to run two identical cars (because we all know 172s have the same power output out of the factory... NOT) one with OE set up and one with correcty installed and set up coilovers and pay for all of this just to prove a point. you could only really judge between the same car, before and after, i wasnt saying you should do it but its the only way you would get me to agree on theheight issue, short of letting me have a go, and we both know your not going to do that?
didnt mean to cause an arguement but at least i now know how to change the colour of text
lol @ text comment, unfortunately i have neither the space nor disposable income to justify a kitcar or second purpose built track car so i choose to modify my road car to improve its performance and handling with the best performing and quality products in can afford. In my line of work i get to drive numerous different quick cars that are far more expensive better built and better handling than my clio. I would like to think this gives me a good experience on which to base my opinions on good or bad characteristics on any changes affecting the handling of ym own car. Im not a proffesional race driver nor a motorsport engineer but i do work in the motortrade so i do have a good base of knowledge to draw upon. In my experience with my own personal car i have found changing the OE set-up for coilovers set up by professionals made a big improvement in the way the car handled. So this is why i think a statement that lowering = poo is complete b****cks, its possible for lowering to make a car a worse drive but it depends on how its done what is used to do so and how its set up. Equally its nieve to believe that the OE suspension cannot be improved upon. Manufacturers have many different things to take into consideration not to mention cost when dealing with individual components and its fair to say my £800 coilovers are going to be aty the very least far superior quality compared to the standard fitment on a 15k car.
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Quote: Originally posted by docter fox on 29 December 2004
the cars for your own use and your happy with it and so am iQuote: Originally posted by Loony on 29 December 2004
Quote: Originally posted by docter fox on 29 December 2004
no offence intended but just because they deal with motorsport doesnt mean they do yours as they would one of their cars, and this laser allignment could just mean your wheels all point the same way
They deal soley with alignment and specialise in motorsports related cars, so i could safely say they know a sh*te sight more than you and they have all the correct highly accurate equipment to do the job.
i never said i knew more than them, but even someone who doesnt know what a coilover is could point out that professional people dont always do things right...
This thread is going nowhere.....
it may handle better (id guess because of coilovers not the height) but IMHO the only way you can be sure they are set up right is to either have a team tweaking the settings or to actually know what your doing and set it up yourself The ride height is going to play a part in the handling but you are correct in saying that this is not the only factor effecting the handling characteristics. My personal car was set up by experts and as i do not compete feel no need to alter it like you would according to differing tracks if it was being used for competition use.
just because it was set up by experts doesnt mean its right! IMO the best way to set up a car is for you to drive it and be able to tell the mechanics (or do yourself) the changes you want
....and please no more quotes there.....
but i have neither
but then im happy with the way my car handles, and i strongly doubt that anyones car on here is set up right(and what information are you basing this sweeping generalisation?), the fact that F1 teams can spend weeks sorting out their suspension before its right which would include driving, changing, driving changing etc, not just fitting, driving, adjustment and done but then again aslong as the owner is happy with the way their car handles then isnt that the point of modifying your own car.......youre happy then dont no-one is forcing to you, we arent so we do and we notice an improvement. im modifying my 2.0 kitcar as i didnt see the 1.2 clio as a good base car to get what i want from a car
....isnt enough colours!! LOL
it just annoys me when people say their cars quicker because its lower as to them it feels "sportier" which doesnt mean its quicker! I can comment on what others may have said but i didnt say that about it i merely stated that i and others had noticed an improvement in the cars handling, if as a bi product this makes people feel more confident driving the car faster then so be it it still doesnt mean the car itself is quicker, but i can see where your coming from about the driver feeling it easier and safer to drive quicker
and as for the point about looking at rally cars, well you must be joking! you cant just look and say "ooh they have bigger wheels and sit lower on tarmac", they spend lots of £££ using "professional experts" to set up the "suspension" for each race, not just to choose bigger wheels and lower height, you cant just assume itll transfer over to your car, did you change your gearing for bigger wheels?
i have not and will not be increasing the size of my wheels and no i wont be changing the gearing lets not get silly now eh. sorry got a lil bit carried away
"If you simply want to lower your car to improve looks fair play to you. It will look sh*t, but each to their own"
wasnt my motivation to modify my suspension but as you rightly said "each to their own" that was taken from someone else earlier in the thread i was just agreeing
lol, everyone will modify their car to what they want from it and how they want it to look and i understand that, just dont say its a lot better because its lower without any proof, ie objective times, not subjective "well it feels better"
so now we need facts and figures ? not necessarily but id believe them over someones stories didnt realise that, ill set up a track day with a professional driver to run two identical cars (because we all know 172s have the same power output out of the factory... NOT) one with OE set up and one with correcty installed and set up coilovers and pay for all of this just to prove a point. you could only really judge between the same car, before and after, i wasnt saying you should do it but its the only way you would get me to agree on theheight issue, short of letting me have a go, and we both know your not going to do that?
didnt mean to cause an arguement but at least i now know how to change the colour of text
Williy Williams. Do you have any experience in motor sport, My guess is no. The utter crap which you have come out with has kept me amused, Yes of course putting new shocks, springs and bushes would improve handling. NO SH*T SHERLOCK. But to say that unless you get a professional to set the Geomertry of the car you wont benefit from suspension mods is utter rubbish. Companys like H&R spend millions on designing and producing coil overs for mainly road cars. ( LOOK AT THEIR WEB SITE) yes granted there are many cars which race in professional and semi professional race series but the point is they still have kits for normal road use. SAYS IT ALL REALLY.
I have a very close friend who competes in semi professional hill climbing events, he is a mechanic by trade and can set a full set of fully adjustable coil overs in less than 45 mins at a very reasonable rate. He swears by them for both road us and track us. Not so much as it allows you to drive faster but the fact that the car is more progressive around corners and the increase feed back from the steering helps you know exactly what the car is doing.
OE spec items are sh*t this is why we have comapanies producing uprated gear. OE is made on a budget for one purpose only. TO LAST UNTIL THE 3RD SERVICE. so the manufactures can make more money out of MUGS like you. RANT OVER.
very true, even supercars have a sports suspension option
the 2 cars arnt as expensive as you might think hopefully cost around 3.5k to finish off the kitcar and i wont loose money on it when it comes to sell it, the clio cost 500 so thats 4k on cars, insurance is around 500 for the clio and will be 1200 when i pass for the kitcar, so all in all thats £4700 and i bet some peoples parents have bought them a new 1.2 clio for more than that and i know which id rather have
loony, if you forget any practicallity issues you could always sell your 182 get a cosworth powered westie that is about the same speed as an R1 motorbile round nuremburg http://www.g2.nu/chris/westie/media/westieR1-ring.avihttp://www.g2.nu/chris/westie/media/westieR1-ring.avi (38mb)
kinda gone off-topic a bit but at least im not arguing
Quote: Originally posted by Tom on 29 December 2004
What a f**king pointless thread.
If your not into driving then get the bus.
Yeah im dead into driving innit, thats why im slammed and running on 18s. Makes me feel like a real racer down the dual carriageway.
How anyone can say something cant be improved upon is beyond me.
Ok, im saying perfection cannot be improved upon. Does that count? Thats a truism by the way (that means its stupid to argue against if you didnt realise).
I have a huge list of stuff that ive binned from my 182
Here is some...
STD Exhaust: its not built to last and it weighs a tonne
Well its not going to last if you remove it before it wears out now is it?
STD Stereo: No mp3 support and it sounds sh*t.
Sorry, i though we wanted to go fast. Now we want to go fast AND listen to music. Well i suppose the stig does it so ill conceed that one.
STD Air filter: poor throttle response
A brand new paper filter would be no worse than a panel filter. The main advantage of a panel filter is that it doesnt get blocked so quickly and can more easily be cleaned. I have experimental data on a brand new paper filter v a K&N panel filter in some japnese sports cars (an american paper). No difference until the paper filter started to get old and performance dropped off quickly (but that was a couple of thousand miles). Ill try and dig it out.
STD Suspension: its superb for std kit, but the thing still has body roll dives under braking, the ride is harsh and its too high.
LOL. You should work for renault Sport. Bet theyre gutted they didnt see the coilover solution to their poorly handing car that the press hated.
And no doubt i will continue to improve the 182 until it becomes the car i want it to be.
Tom, sounds like you want it to be a Williams mate. Try sticking a plaque on the dash. Its alot cheaper.
The suggestion that coilovers and the like are developed fo chavs is short sighted, anyone whos owned them wont go back to std suspension for long.
Hang on, wasnt the idear of buying a 182 that it had suspension tweeks from the 172. So it basically handled better. Well if the suspension is so sh*t on the 182 that you have to fit coilovers, why not just buy a 172 and fit coilovers to that? Would be cheaper. And dont say because of the extra power as the extra weight cancels that out. So basically any 182 owner who changes the suspension is effectively driving a 172 on coilovers. There is an expression for an argument that is so circular it eventually argues against itself. I forget what it is called.....ah yes foolishness.
Coilovers not only have more development hours put into them to make them better but they also are better quality than OE parts.
Some people on here need to have a think before they babble sh*te.
See my last point
IMO of course
Tom
ClioSport Club Member
EV (s)
Have you changed your name recently?
Can i call you rob?
Anyway.
My filter is foam, and made by itg.
I do alot of miles so yes music is needed on long boring motorway journeys.
My exhaust fell apart 4 times before it was replaced.
I bought the 182 new for less than a used 172 would have cost, but you being so wise and clever you would have known that.
PLUS You also would have know the LONG list of revisons the 182 has over the 172 before you made that statement, the fact that 172 coilovers dont fit to the 182 because of the revisons also go to prove your "arguement" is flawed.
Stick a plaque on your keyboard that says STOP.
Hippys bus of LOVE !!!
Can I just set the record straight
If by lowering you mean, going to coilovers and resetting the camber settings etc. then it can certainly make you quicker round the track because if you run slightly more camber than normal, this will give you a greater contact patch and angle, therefore allowing you to sustain greater cornering speeds... IMHO
Tested at Llandow earlier this year, by Fred and I
[chased the little bugger round the track]
Ok lets just agree to disagree.
Those who want to lower their car do so. We conceed that the handling may be improved under certain circumstances*.
Those who dont want to lower there car dont. And while the lowering posse is pissing about with coilovers in some dark garage somewhere, well be out getting laid.
OK?
*all lowering is done at owners own risk and may result in a crap looking car
Are you lot still going!?!
Only thing i have to say is I have been in loonys 172 with coilovers on and FACT it handled better 3 up than my standard 182 down roads i know well and drove down rapidly 30 minutes before so I had very recent experience to draw on.
there was little body roll and it dealt with change of direction change of road surface and undulations better than my 182.
and before anyone asks I am not Loonys bum chum met him once he is nice guy but not my type.... no offence like
Quote: Originally posted by Willy Williams on 29 December 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Tom on 29 December 2004
What a f**king pointless thread.
If your not into driving then get the bus.
Yeah im dead into driving innit, thats why im slammed and running on 18s. Makes me feel like a real racer down the dual carriageway.
18s ? nobody mentioned 18s any r****d will tell you putting 18s will royally f**k up the ride and handling of the car not to mention making it look like a koolart picture. Racing down a dually ? dont recally anyone mentioning delluded maccys crew plebs after watching too much fast and the furious.
How anyone can say something cant be improved upon is beyond me.
Ok, im saying perfection cannot be improved upon. Does that count? Thats a truism by the way (that means its stupid to argue against if you didnt realise).
now you are saying OE Renault suspension is perfection? whatever drugs you are on i want some
I have a huge list of stuff that ive binned from my 182
Here is some...
STD Exhaust: its not built to last and it weighs a tonne
Well its not going to last if you remove it before it wears out now is it?
OE systems are a known issue on these cars but then you know that dont you.
STD Suspension: its superb for std kit, but the thing still has body roll dives under braking, the ride is harsh and its too high.
LOL. You should work for renault Sport. Bet theyre gutted they didnt see the coilover solution to their poorly handing car that the press hated.
Just because the press liked it doesnt mean that it cannnot be improved, if motoring jurnos and professional drivers were to test a std and coilovered car back to back would you conceed to their findings ? i doubt it.
And no doubt i will continue to improve the 182 until it becomes the car i want it to be.
Tom, sounds like you want it to be a Williams mate. Try sticking a plaque on the dash. Its alot cheaper.
someone lock him in the cliosport dungeon with stromba, do you have a fetish for steroids ?
The suggestion that coilovers and the like are developed fo chavs is short sighted, anyone whos owned them wont go back to std suspension for long.
Hang on, wasnt the idear of buying a 182 that it had suspension tweeks from the 172. So it basically handled better. Well if the suspension is so sh*t on the 182 that you have to fit coilovers, why not just buy a 172 and fit coilovers to that? Would be cheaper. And dont say because of the extra power as the extra weight cancels that out. So basically any 182 owner who changes the suspension is effectively driving a 172 on coilovers. There is an expression for an argument that is so circular it eventually argues against itself. I forget what it is called.....ah yes foolishness.
no-one said sh*t merely can be improved upon, its a step up from the 172 but still can be made better which is what we are doing to it, so what difference does it make to you its OUR money we are spending, think we are foolish if you like but its our cash and our choice. Have you ever driven a std 172 and a coilovered 172 or a 182 ??
Coilovers not only have more development hours put into them to make them better but they also are better quality than OE parts.
Some people on here need to have a think before they babble sh*te.
See my last point
IMO of course
20VT Clio & 9-5 HOT
why does all your replies (when you disagree with folk (most threads)) have to end up talking about going and getting layed or impressing women with porkas over having an interest in cars and modifying them!! Is it not possible for people have more than one interest in life, this is a car forum man!! we were all out getting layed whilst you were testing your paper filters!
IMO of course!
Quote: Originally posted by iceblue182 on 30 December 2004
Are you lot still going!?!
Only thing i have to say is I have been in loonys 172 with coilovers on and FACT it handled better 3 up than my standard 182 down roads i know well and drove down rapidly 30 minutes before so I had very recent experience to draw on.
there was little body roll and it dealt with change of direction change of road surface and undulations better than my 182.
and before anyone asks I am not Loonys bum chum met him once he is nice guy but not my type.... no offence like
sh*t thought i was in there
surprised we didnt get booted out of the carpark when we got back fom our little run
206 gti 180 got pretty good reviews as far as i know (bar its cheap crappy interior, but spose that aint performance realted) and they aint produced a 307 gti yet, but i heard a 4wd version maybe on the cards with regards to that car.
Hang has a post gone missing there?
Not really its just tweaking the macpherson strut design to suit, and reno and peugeot have it down to an art, its safety factors that sup costs these days when designing a car, not that thats a bad thing tho.
Ahhh i think i get what ur on about now, sorry got the wrong end o stick there m8, lol
Holly sh*t how much bullsh*t can you crap into one thread!
I lost interest at page 2, rejoined it at page 6, went back to page 5 and then lost the will to live. Wish Id been in earlier to see this one unfold.
Having been in motorsport, built multiple kit cars and owned a few modified cars I know a little about car setup, coilovers are great if setup correctly and as Loony says they cant just be setup by any old grease monkey.
Willy Williams and Docter Fox (sp?
) you both are very opinionated for people who havent really got much of an idea what youre talking about. Loved the comment about the R1 and a cosworthed Westie round the nuremburgring (sp? ), pmsl comedy genius at its best!makes your head hurt doesnt it. Sometimes i wonderwhy i bother offering people the benefit of my personal and proffesional experience when you get some of the rediculious replies and attempts at rationalising some very bizzare views on things that some people here seem to hold, oh well *heads off before head explodes in frustration*
Quote: Originally posted by Loony on 29 December 2004
width is not the issue here i had a mk2 172 i now have a 182 the std 172 ran 195 45 16s the 182 std runs 205.45 16 the 172 got worse with the 17s (205 40 17) fitted but the 182 with the wider tyres but same size rims is far better. also a few of the cup owners here have binned off their 195 16s and replaced them with 205s and noticed an improvement, yoz being one of them and he does alot of track work with his car.
a very true statement, but, i did move from contisports to yokahoma a539 (195) and then to 205. the difference in handling was immense with both changes.
/y0z
Quote: Originally posted by docter fox on 29 December 2004
very true, even supercars have a sports suspension option
the 2 cars arnt as expensive as you might think hopefully cost around 3.5k to finish off the kitcar and i wont loose money on it when it comes to sell it, the clio cost 500 so thats 4k on cars, insurance is around 500 for the clio and will be 1200 when i pass for the kitcar, so all in all thats £4700 and i bet some peoples parents have bought them a new 1.2 clio for more than that and i know which id rather have loony, if you forget any practicallity issues you could always sell your 182 get a cosworth powered westie that is about the same speed as an R1 motorbile round nuremburg http://www.g2.nu/chris/westie/media/westieR1-ring.avihttp://www.g2.nu/chris/westie/media/westieR1-ring.avi (38mb)kinda gone off-topic a bit but at least im not arguing is there a ring road there?
/y0z
