not a good start

[theburns1]

I will give them a try, thank you. Got another quote of £295 so guessing its the going rate. Hopefully have the gearbox out this weekend

 

[Goodj]

Chocolate gearboxes are one of the primary reasons I probably wont have another Clio.

Even one that looks as tasty as that

 

[theburns1]

cheers mate, and yes only other clio i owned, 1.8 16v, i had the same problems, fixed it sold it to my mate and he never had any problems with it........ typical

 

[ADS_V6]

your car is so clean m8 get it done keep it tidy,enjoy and it should hold good money imo

 

[JakeyCUK]

I have probably missed something here but why is everyone saying the seller is within his rights to not pay for this? If I advertised something on eBay as 100% working condition and it was actually faulty, I wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Surely this falls under trading standards regulations? False advertising?

 

[theburns1]

I am going to phone them today as I believe laws changed last year to protect customer, but I believe also that it is the case of it was OK when I test drove it. But to not even get me 40 miles home is a bit of a joke.

 

[JakeyCUK]

Well I hope you get this sorted without having to spend your own money. I know you should have noticed this, you should have checked all gears etc etc but you didn't (these things happen), and the seller clearly knew about this fault and omitted it in the advert. To me that's fraud, good luck pal! It's usually the seller that has zero rights in post sale issues lol

 

[masekwm]

I have probably missed something here but why is everyone saying the seller is within his rights to not pay for this? If I advertised something on eBay as 100% working condition and it was actually faulty, I wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Surely this falls under trading standards regulations? False advertising?

Private sale = no come back.

Second hand car bought privately
You have fewer rights when you buy from a private seller and key parts of the Sale of Goods Act don't apply – there is no legal requirement for a car to be of satisfactory quality or fit for purpose.

But, legally, the seller must:

• accurately describe the second hand car (for example, an advert must not say 'one owner', when the car has had several)
• not misrepresent the second hand car (tell you something about the car which isn't true – such as if it’s been in an accident, the owner must answer truthfully).

Not the sellers fault it broke down when it did is it?

 

[JakeyCUK]

Well even though it appears as though the buyer doesn't have many rights post sale, I still think this is fraudulent. According to OP the seller listed the car as "100% working" so for the car to have no reverse then this directly conflicts with point 2 in those bullet points:

• not misrepresent the second hand car (tell you something about the car which isn't true – such as if it’s been in an accident, the owner must answer truthfully).

Seeing the information you posted makes me think if the seller hadn't specified the car was 100% sound then he could just laugh his way to the bank, but he has lied and broken both rules you posted. I agree that the OP should have spotted this but IMO this is fraudulent and should fall on the seller to rectify for misrepresenting the car.

 

[ADS_V6]

and if there is no signed sold as seen you have more comeback i believe

 

[JakeyCUK]

and if there is no signed sold as seen you have more comeback i believe

Yea so I believe, I've always written a receipt for my buyers

 

[Addicted]

Thing is, he can't prove that reverse was broke when he test drove it. And if he did find that, then why would he buy it?

 

[JakeyCUK]

Can't argue with that logic I guess! If he had bought the car through the eBay ad directly then he would automatically get the VPP (vehicle purchase protection) they offer. I bet he just went directly to seller though. I hope you get it sorted burns, not looking good though! What a crappy situation.

 

[Stefan.]

Lovely looking

live n learn, yes its a £300 bill that isnt great but hopefully after you can enjoy the car

 

[theburns1]

Cheers for the comments guys and it will get sorted regardless, the guy obviously knew about the problem and sold me a dodgey car, I've phoned trading standards and even though its private I still have rites and I have a case. Never really wanted to go this far, all I want him to pay for is clutch, gearbox oil and a driveshaft, which being g as he works at euro car parts wouldn't be a problem. End of the day I'm pissed off but will sort things out fairly and properly, all I want is a bit of help towards the repair bill, not asking too much, am I.

 

[JackD]

If you can prove he knew about the fault and lied when asked about it you'll have a case, if you can't then I can't see it going your way unfortunately mate.

 

[theburns1]

Yes true but as said don't want to go that far, just want help as I think he owes me that at least

 

[theburns1]

Well he has replied after I sent him blunt message, he seems fine and still willing to help. So that's good, he is doing what I asked and supplying clutch, oil and drive shaft. Now all I need to do is get gearbox off this weekend send it off then fit it next weekend so hopefully it will be ready to go.

 

[ADS_V6]

thats good and better than a kick in the butt

 

[theburns1]

Yes mate, and now I can start the ball rolling and get cracking

 

[JakeyCUK]

result!

 

[theburns1]

OK well only got chance to look at this today. Popped the near side driveshaft off and circlip still sitting in its groove undamaged. So what's my problem? Hoping its clutch but don't want to remove box if I don't have to.

 

[masekwm]

Does it go into any gears?

 

[theburns1]

Does it go into any gears?

It goes into gear fine, as I release the clutch it makes a horrible grinding noise.

 

[ADS_V6]

clutch release bearing went on my saxo as i put foot up off clutch noise was there,clutches are cheap for the 172 i believe,whats up with the gearbox issue?

 

[theburns1]

Need to get the gearbox off tomorrow and have a good look

 

[GrahamS]

Depends how you do it but if you're dropping the subframe this is a rough guide.

 

[theburns1]

Really have to do all that? Oh no, I was hoping it was going to be a simple clutch change.

 

[car.crash]

You need to split the box from the engine to do the clutch, so yes all this bits need to come off first.
It's not a difficult job just long winded.

 

[GrahamS]

That's only if you drop the subframe completely but I really think that's the easiest way from my experience and takes hardly any longer than just dropping one side of the frame. Each of those jobs is pretty easy A couple of us did a box and clutch change in just over a day recently which I'm sure people would say is slow but when you don't have air tools is very difficult to do faster.

 

[ckings6056]

I had this exact same problem not long after getting my 182, exact symptoms you are describing.
In the end once we got it jacked up and had a proper look it wasn't the box. It was the splined coupling that joins one of the drive shafts to the gearbox. New splined sleeve was about twenty quid, sorted it....

 

[DannyR]

Just pay for some new coolant and whip engine and box out as one out the top. Takes slightly longer but makes the clutch change job a lot easier and saves time.

 

[theburns1]

I had this exact same problem not long after getting my 182, exact symptoms you are describing.
In the end once we got it jacked up and had a proper look it wasn't the box. It was the splined coupling that joins one of the drive shafts to the gearbox. New splined sleeve was about twenty quid, sorted it....

Was that the offside shaft? I will have a look tomorrow.

 

[ckings6056]

Yeah it was the offside shaft. If you jack up that wheel and turn it you'll hear a strange clanking/ grinding noise and feel roughness.
Also if you pop it in first gear with the engine running with that wheel up in the air it may start to rotate as there is no resistance on it. But it will very easily be stopped and make the horrible noise.
I got my splined coupling off eBay. If it is that, get the driveshaft off, heat the coupling as hot as you dare them give it a good soaking before trying to remove it, mine took some force to get off.

 

[theburns1]

Yeah it was the offside shaft. If you jack up that wheel and turn it you'll hear a strange clanking/ grinding noise and feel roughness.
Also if you pop it in first gear with the engine running with that wheel up in the air it may start to rotate as there is no resistance on it. But it will very easily be stopped and make the horrible noise.
I got my splined coupling off eBay. If it is that, get the driveshaft off, heat the coupling as hot as you dare them give it a good soaking before trying to remove it, mine took some force to get off.

Thank you, fingers crossed that's what it is. Well I'm tempted to get up early and get on it. Was the spline completely stripped?

 

[ckings6056]

I've been searching for the photo I took of it but can't find it anywhere sadly.
It wasn't completely stripped no, the teeth were extremely worn. Had all gone to almost a half moon shape rather then triangle if that makes sense.

 

[theburns1]

I've been searching for the photo I took of it but can't find it anywhere sadly.
It wasn't completely stripped no, the teeth were extremely worn. Had all gone to almost a half moon shape rather then triangle if that makes sense.

I get what you mean. I'm guessing its been fine since? Was your car lowered?

 

[ckings6056]

No the car wasn't lowered. That joint has been ok but I have had to change the box since that as the diff started whining more then my wife.....

 

[theburns1]

No the car wasn't lowered. That joint has been ok but I have had to change the box since that as the diff started whining more then my wife.....

Haha, well I will post up in a moment as I'm going to now the lawn then get cracking on the driveshaft again.

 

[theburns1]

@ckings6056 not the best pic, but if you zoom up on screen you can see the spline. Looks a little worn bit nothing terrible