NUTS AND BOLTS

Nafoff · Dec 8, 2017

HELP NEEDED.

With the rebuild of the car happening shortly I am thinking about replacing a lot of the Nuts/bolts etc etc.
Is anyone aware of a comprehensive list of what I would need throughout the car?

Car is a phase 1 172

JB21 · Dec 8, 2017

Just get a load of M6, M8, M10 & maybe some M12's. Not many imperial that I've come across but someone more informed will be along shortly.

vroomtshh · Dec 8, 2017

Tomotek's build thread has a good list of suspension bolts on it

Nafoff · Dec 8, 2017

vroomtshh said:
Tomotek's build thread has a good list of suspension bolts on it

He has been messaged, ha

Budgie · Dec 8, 2017

Do you have all the originals? If not, i have 2x buckets worth of bolts from Clio's i've broken in the past. All rusty as eff and would need a clean up, but free to collect from Chertsey.

STEVE.M · Dec 8, 2017

Nuts & bolts are priced in pence here.
http://www.alfast.co.uk/

Nafoff · Dec 8, 2017

Budgie said:
Do you have all the originals? If not, i have 2x buckets worth of bolts from Clio's i've broken in the past. All rusty as eff and would need a clean up, but free to collect from Chertsey.

I am pretty sure I have most of what i need tbh as I have not chucked anything away. I think I am probably just panicking a bit. I will be assembling the running gear whilst the shell is away, this will probably give me a chance to check what I will need and what I don't, I will then potentially just clean up what I already have - may not be much point in just buying all new
Thanks for the offer though, will keep that in-mind

scotiamr2t · Dec 8, 2017

As has been mentioned, @Tomotek created what seemed a comprehensive excel spreadsheet with details of all the bolts!

Tomotek · Dec 10, 2017

Hi Neil..
I've condensed the info I have on the suspension bolts.

The caliper backing / top plate I ended up reusing the original bolts as the top plates use the shank of the bolt to locate and is a special size bolt.

I also spec'd these bolts to get the required shank length, they will need cutting down to suit, or you'll have excess thread out the end of the nut.

I bought the bolts from Cromwell and have listed the part code.

Hope that helps.

Nafoff · Dec 21, 2017

Tomotek said:
Hi Neil..
I've condensed the info I have on the suspension bolts.
View attachment 1348506
The caliper backing / top plate I ended up reusing the original bolts as the top plates use the shank of the bolt to locate and is a special size bolt.
I also spec'd these bolts to get the required shank length, they will need cutting down to suit, or you'll have excess thread out the end of the nut.
I bought the bolts from Cromwell and have listed the part code.
Hope that helps.

Thank you for this mate, am looking into re-building all the running gear over the next month so this will come in very helpful.
Cheers Neil

Nafoff · Dec 21, 2017

@Tomotek can I just check, were you not concerned about the possibility of rounding the heads on the cap head bolts?

Tomotek · Dec 21, 2017

ph-reebone said:
@Tomotek can I just check, were you not concerned about the possibility of rounding the heads on the cap head bolts?

Not at all mate, I wouldn’t worry about that.. more of a concern on button heads and ctr sunks bolts

Nafoff · Jan 12, 2018

Thought I would post this back in here so people are aware. Spoke to Cromwells about the above bolts and they come in at around £24 all in.... seems like a no brainer to me....

Nafoff · Jan 23, 2018

Tomotek said:
View attachment 1348506
The caliper backing / top plate I ended up reusing the original bolts as the top plates use the shank of the bolt to locate and is a special size bolt.

Hi mate, you noted above about the calliper backing/top plate, but then have it on your list (QFT6001076J), did you just not use it?
Also just to check on this as they are blanked/n/a (in the Cromwell code field) did you reuse he below bolts or need to source them from elsewhere:
Front
Wishbone - Ball Joint
Upright - Calliper

Rear
Calliper - Calliper bracket

scotiamr2t · Jan 26, 2018

@ph-reebone did you order new nuts, washers etc through cromwell?

Rubicon_ · Jan 26, 2018

Nuts & bolts come with the ball joint.

scotiamr2t · Jan 26, 2018

Arran_ said:
Nuts & bolts come with the ball joint.

I was referring to all the other bolts he ordered. Would seem sensible to order new lock nuts washers etc at the same time as the bolts as cromwel can supply those also

Nafoff · Jan 26, 2018

scotiamr2t said:
I was referring to all the other bolts he ordered. Would seem sensible to order new lock nuts washers etc at the same time as the bolts as cromwel can supply those also

I haven't made the order yet chap, I need to add some more bolts to my list as I ideally want to change out my panel fitting bolts too, but I probably will order nuts too yes.

Ideally need this answered off @Tomotek though
You noted above about the calliper backing/top plate, but then have it on your list (QFT6001076J), did you just not use it?
Also just to check on this as they are blanked/n/a (in the Cromwell code field) did you reuse he below bolts or need to source them from elsewhere:
Front
Wishbone - Ball Joint
Upright - Calliper

Rear
Calliper - Calliper bracket

Rubicon_ · Jan 26, 2018

scotiamr2t said:
I was referring to all the other bolts he ordered. Would seem sensible to order new lock nuts washers etc at the same time as the bolts as cromwel can supply those also

That wasnt for you mate was the post above about bolts missing.

Tomotek · Jan 26, 2018

ph-reebone said:
Ideally need this answered off @Tomotek though
You noted above about the calliper backing/top plate, but then have it on your list (QFT6001076J), did you just not use it?
Also just to check on this as they are blanked/n/a (in the Cromwell code field) did you reuse he below bolts or need to source them from elsewhere:
Front
Wishbone - Ball Joint
Upright - Calliper

Rear
Calliper - Calliper bracket

Hi mate, sorry didn’t see your other message

I ended up not using the new bolt for the caliper top plate as the std ones locate on the shank which is a special Renault bolt

Front wishbone ball joint I fitted new ball joints and the bolts come with the kit so didn’t look for a Cromwell code

Front Upright to caliper and rear caliper bracket to caliper I ordered from somewhere else as they are a finer pitch which Cromwell don’t sell

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Nafoff · Jan 26, 2018

Tomotek said:
Hi mate, sorry didn’t see your other message
I ended up not using the new bolt for the caliper back plate as the std ones locate on the shank which is a special Renault bolt
Front wishbone ball joint I fitted new ball joints and the bolts come with the kit so didn’t look for a Cromwell code
Front Upright to caliper and rear caliper bracket to caliper I ordered from somewhere else as they are a finer pitch which Cromwell don’t sell

Cheers man, appreciated

Tomotek · Jan 26, 2018

ph-reebone said:
Cheers man, appreciated

No probs .. I got the finer pitch bolts from ‘falcon workshop supplies’ .. they have an eBay page which is useful for ordering small quantities

Nafoff · Feb 5, 2018

Tomotek said:
No probs .. I got the finer pitch bolts from ‘falcon workshop supplies’ .. they have an eBay page which is useful for ordering small quantities

For anybody interested I have just found the finer pitch bolts on Cromwells.
I will shortly be amending my quote and ordering the bolts so can post those details up for others.

Nafoff · Feb 8, 2018

ph-reebone said:
For anybody interested I have just found the finer pitch bolts on Cromwells.
I will shortly be amending my quote and ordering the bolts so can post those details up for others.

Scratch the above, Cromwells wanted me to order a minimum of 20 of the finer pitch items which proper ramped up the price. But I did get them from Falcon supplies.
Just putting together an updated spreadsheet now - can post later

Nafoff · Feb 13, 2018

I did have an issue with Cromwells sending 2 lots of the wrong bolts though, hopefully that should be rectified when this order comes through.

QFT6001083S M12x85 SKT HEAD CAP SCREW x4
I ordered the above, however I believe I have been sent QFT6001083R (marked on the bag and shown in photo IMG_7147.JPG).

QFT6001053K M10x80 SKT HEAD CAP SCREW x4
I ordered the above, and this is what is marked on the bag, however I do not believe this is what is contained in the bag.
The item should be M10 in size, however I have placed it against QFT6001051H (shown in photo IMG_7148.JPG) which is an M10x70 and you can tell it is not the right item.

Nafoff · Feb 13, 2018

UPDATED SPREADSHEET
I have got bolts and washers on here also, just not marked up where they need to go yet, I also did not put M8's on here as already had plenty of them.
I will be updating this list once I figure out what is needed where.

Tomotek · Feb 13, 2018

Nice one, getting a nice little list going.. very handy

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Nafoff · Feb 25, 2018

OCD

eon172 · Feb 25, 2018

ph-reebone said:
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OCD

This thread might be relevant for the guides area of the forum be end given the valuable reference information you're pulling together here. Nice job!

bloke · Feb 25, 2018

two things to bear in mind, the self colour bolts (black ones) rust so would be worth looking at bzp and a lot of the washers used aren't standard sizes, bigger diameter, thicker and stronger.

also if anyone is interested i've got a list of just about all of the bolts for the head/cam cover/stat housing etc...

Nafoff · Apr 22, 2018

FYI
Turns out the Calliper - calliper bracket bolts are way too long. These are noted on the sheet at 100mm
But these are probably by 20mm to long. I am going to need to re-order these now.

Nafoff · Apr 23, 2018

Tomotek said:
I ended up not using the new bolt for the caliper top plate as the std ones locate on the shank which is a special Renault bolt

Hi mate, Just looking at these bolts again and can't figure out what you mean. Looking at the bolt it looks normal and I can't see why changing this out wouldn't make a difference. Can you explain further before I order something and regret it.. ha

Tomotek · Apr 26, 2018

ph-reebone said:
FYI
Turns out the Calliper - calliper bracket bolts are way too long. These are noted on the sheet at 100mm
But these are probably by 20mm to long. I am going to need to re-order these now.

View attachment 1364271

I cut those down to length.. wanted maximum shank length through the caliper sliders

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Tomotek · Apr 26, 2018

ph-reebone said:
Tomotek said:

I ended up not using the new bolt for the caliper top plate as the std ones locate on the shank which is a special Renault bolt

Click to expand...

Hi mate, Just looking at these bolts again and can't figure out what you mean. Looking at the bolt it looks normal and I can't see why changing this out wouldn't make a difference. Can you explain further before I order something and regret it.. ha

From what I remember the standard Renault bolts have a larger shank diameter, than a ISO bolt of the same thread, which is used to locate the caliper back plate correctly

Nafoff · Apr 27, 2018

All makes sense. Cheers @Tomotek

steviekyle13793 · May 31, 2018

Are Cromwell happy enough to send small quantities of bolts if I give them a ring? On their website I can only order in bulk, 50, 100 etc.

scotiamr2t · May 31, 2018

steviekyle13793 said:
Are Cromwell happy enough to send small quantities of bolts if I give them a ring? On their website I can only order in bulk, 50, 100 etc.

Yes they will send you small quantities providing it is a stock item for them (most are). If they aren’t a stock item then you have to order the minimum quantity stated on the website

FrogJam Motorsport · Jan 6, 2019

Just about to order all new bolts for a build so the spreadsheet is very useful, thanks!

Just wondering why you haven’t gone for the zinc plated ones so they don’t rust?

Assuming the black (self colour) ones will rust?

Nafoff · Jan 6, 2019

Pummellf said:
Just about to order all new bolts for a build so the spreadsheet is very useful, thanks!
Just wondering why you haven’t gone for the zinc plated ones so they don’t rust?
Assuming the black (self colour) ones will rust?

Pretty sure these don't rust, they won't be that exposed to the elements anyways and will be getting constant checks so should that be the case I will relook at the options.

vroomtshh · Jan 6, 2019

Black bolts absolutely rust. I'm pretty much no time at all, even kept in a dry garage ?

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