Off Topic Race Series Opinions

[Stu172cup]

Feel Free To move if needed

Ive been looking at various race series - i prefer one make stuff as its mainly down to talent , or lack thereof
I dont want to do the Clios because i cant get along with Ktec - i dont know why im just not keen on the ethos

Anyway , costings aside , which would you look towards

Civic cup - EP3 or FN2 , Limited slip diffs , nankang NS2R tyres - coil overs - 220bhp-ish
Mk5 Golf gti - Coil overs , standard brakes , dsg or manual , toyo 888s - 240BHP
Super cooper Cup - R53 Mini Cooper s , big brakes , LSD , 220BHP , Coil overs

I figure the initial purchase cost og the golf will be more , but prep will be a little less , Civic will be cheaper to Run tyres and NA , Cooper has a huge following anyway

Just after some views

 

[Superninj]

I'm looking to race my Clio next year, I sort of understand why your not keen on the Ktec 182 series. Form what I've seen there is tricolore throphy, tin tops, trackattacks hill climbs etc

Why do you think a Golf or Civic would be cheaper? I think from the list of mods above you would be looking at the same money being pumped in to Clio also.

 

[JackJack]

I'd go for the civic cup personally

 

[mikekean]

Civic cup, EP3 a pretty much bullet proof when relatively standard. Will get to spend more money on racing and test days as the car wont be braking all the time. EP3 is the most drive orientated car out of all of them.

 

[BoatNonce]

Another vote for the Civics.

 

[p@blo]

You did say about the Golf series when I last saw you Stu, but now you mention it - the Civic cup sounds good like it'd be a good craic. Seems a pretty solid engine/chassis combination.

OT but you still going to Oulton next month pal?

 

[Stu172cup]

You did say about the Golf series when I last saw you Stu, but now you mention it - the Civic cup sounds good like it'd be a good craic. Seems a pretty solid engine/chassis combination.

OT but you still going to Oulton next month pal?

The golfs Even Damaged ones from Co part fetch STRONG Money - one went through last week wirh 320,000 Miles on it and still sold for 2.5k , Civics can be had for 700-800 quid


Yeah ill be coming up mate - Not with the Clio though , Booked the 'Ring on the 10th of september so thought i best save some cash

 

[Stu172cup]

I'm looking to race my Clio next year, I sort of understand why your not keen on the Ktec 182 series. Form what I've seen there is tricolore throphy, tin tops, trackattacks hill climbs etc

Why do you think a Golf or Civic would be cheaper? I think from the list of mods above you would be looking at the same money being pumped in to Clio also.

I Kind of want to want the tightly controlled regulations of one make stuff , everything supposedly very equal , i know the class system in tricola is meant to do this but whatever the reason i like the idea of going door handle to door handle with a virtually identical car

 

[Superninj]

That's fair enough reading your original post has got me thinking questioning my own ideas, civic cup looks very interesting with a good chassis and power output. I think the golf series would be expensive in that the mk5s are a cool car but not a cheap base line. I have some reservations with the Clio myself as it is difficult to get a true cost of having a competive Clio. Guess it depends on budget if you want to drop 10k on a civic then the civic cup sounds like it would suite or mod your Clio more gradually on a steady budget making a car like burpspeed, which is what my plan is....

 

[Goodj]

MaX5 series?
Cheap. Loads of entries. Fixed spec series.
Proper drivetrain

 

[Tony Hunter]

As long as it's French, there is always room for cars in Tricolore Trophy :grinning:

 

[Stu172cup]

MaX5 series?
Cheap. Loads of entries. Fixed spec series.
Proper drivetrain

I have had a look at this and the newer MX5 - AND the Compact Cup which has MASSIVE grids

But and you can flame me all you like , i find FWD as rewarding to drive properly as a RWD car

 

[Goodj]

But and you can flame me all you like , i find FWD as rewarding to drive properly as a RWD car

I'll resist.

But you dont get grids of that size by accident.

 

[coverman]

Porsche 924 is another inexpensive spec race series, using very well balanced cars; and its all about driver handling finesse.. 924's are still cheap to buy

 

[Tony Hunter]

Tbh, I'd race anything, it just so happens that I have a Clio atm (and a 106)

 

[Stu172cup]

ha ha Cheers @Goodj - No you dont , the Mk2 golfs have big grids , the Mk5s are new this season so hopefully theyll grow similarly
Civics is growing all the time - Not sure about the Cooper S
@Tony Hunter - Thats very much my thinking , Clio has served its purpose , always been into my motorsport in a massive way , ive been going Oulton since i was 5 some 27 years ago , but its definetly time to compete.

 

[olly-r]

i do the odd round of the msv trackday trophy 45minute races and 1 hour all comer races, bit of fun

 

[JimClio]

What is wrong with the KTEC 182 series ?

 

[Stu172cup]

Essentially nothing - Close one make series with tightly controlled reg
But ill be fucked if im handing over money to KTEC for parts or them to put a map on a car i own.......Personal belief.

 

[JimClio]

As long as it's French, there is always room for cars in Tricolore Trophy :grinning:

What's the difference in regs between the KTEC Clios and the Tricolore Trophy Clios then? Apart from the Tricolore seem to be a lot slower !

 

[Tony Hunter]

Lol, a lot slower.
Class A anything goes, itbs, suspension free, light weight panels, any ecu etc etc.
Just no turbos or supercharging.
Production Class. Ren suspension, springs free, standard ecu, keep dash, camber bolts are allowed.
Basically a production car with a saftey cut off switch and fire ex

 

[p@blo]

Apart from the Tricolore seem to be a lot slower !

Hows that?

Class A anything goes, Just no turbos or supercharging.

Have they changed the regs to allow sequential boxes now Tony?

 

[JimClio]

Hows that?

On another thread a guy who raced at Cadwell on the 18th was lapping at avg 1.50 best of 1.49 in Tricolore and yet the KTEC Clios the month before all 24 cars lapped quicker than 1.49 and the best being a 1.44 !
So 5 seconds a lap is quite a bit slower !!!!!
Hence the question what's the difference in spec/regs of both series

 

[JimClio]

Oops fat fingers small phone

 

[Tony Hunter]

No. No fancy boxes.
It's expensive enough as it is, without that cost as well.

 

[bob the builder]

them times were mine and i am in the production cup so no engine mods and standard suspension.

 

[DCELEC 182]

them times were mine and i am in the production cup so no engine mods and standard suspension.

That's good going then I'd say, the ktec championship allows coilovers/top mounts etc so by means standard cars as yours is!

 

[Tony Hunter]

Class A cars do 1.43's around Cadwell

 

[andye30m3]

I'm in my 4th year of doing the Production BMW championship in a E30 320i, great series very competitive but still has a friendly paddock, good value in terms of running cost and entry fees with policed driving standards to try and stop lots of panel damage.

We also get to race on some great circuits, this year we're at Brands GP and Indy, Donnington GP, Silverstone GP supporting the 24 hour race, snetterton 300 and Combe.

 

[Stu172cup]

Certainly alot to think about
There are so many series out there

 

[JoeMarano]

I'd love to go racing but it seems so expensive. Do snetterton do any kind of circuit races? Bit like how castle combe have castle combe saloons?