Phase 1 airbox conversion done, BUT ??

[franx]

I have just finished up with fitting a phase 1 box + two 65mm airfeeds. Taken the acoustic valve out for some space, AS IF THERE IS ANY
bloody knuckles at the end, but worth it.

Only thing is, with the standard elbow to TB i really had to squeeze/force the box in there and there's just no space , also because of the bracket running alongside the battery. Now its in ,but wedged upon radiator (fan-bit) and the CAF i got is scrubbing against the bracket so in no time it will wear holes into them ..

Who's done the conversion and can help me ?

May need a different (shorter) elbow to TB ?

Many thanks

 

[davebem]

Are you using the 172 phase 1 elbow? As thats also different.

 

[franx]

No, Phase 2 .. have cut some off (5mm) and now it's on there but wedged in
Did'nt want to buy another elbow part because wanted to try and keep it cheap. For the moment it'll do like this.

Soon my battery is going to be moved to the back so i will have some more space in the engine bay
THink it's been a very good mod , it revs more freely , torque is also nasty good.
Nice little mod that i stole off this forum from inventor Ien Beach ;

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=211003&highlight=homemade+induction

Top mod !!

 

[Deep Dish]

If the phase1 airbox is that good, how come they never kept the cylinder design for the ph2 / 182's ??

 

[Ali]

^You just hit the nail on the head...there clearly not that good!

 

[FeelX]

Nice Frank !

I was thinking about this aswell. But you got the airbox from marktplaats ;-) Some day I will and might try aswell, also an exhaust if the old one finaly goes.

Haven't read about the elbow, and also was surpriced that you posted it did not fit properly. Anyway I ready about the coolant hose that can shear through due to the airbox rubbing against it. So check that.

 

[Deep Dish]

^You just hit the nail on the head...there clearly not that good!

Exactly

I think its because folk think it looks like a Maxogen and you can put a ITG filter in it, there for it must be a Maxogen lol

 

[franx]

Do'nt know why they changed designs, probably using same airbox for different type of cars and saving production costs
I got the idea off this forum; read that the airbox design of the phase 1 may be better.
Not just this one thread.

Also the car does feel faster, may be because of the 65 mm CAF's i put on and acoustic valve removed. As for the "maxogen" bit, never thought of comparing it to one actually

 

[franx]

Nice Frank !

I was thinking about this aswell. But you got the airbox from marktplaats ;-) Some day I will and might try aswell, also an exhaust if the old one finaly goes.

Haven't read about the elbow, and also was surpriced that you posted it did not fit properly. Anyway I ready about the coolant hose that can shear through due to the airbox rubbing against it. So check that.

Cheers on the coolinghose comment, i'll check because it's rubbing indeed

 

[d4ve86]

mines wedged in

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=285984

 

[Coby.]

Mine is wedged in also, Cut a little bit off my Samco but it's still pretty wedged in there

 

[d4ve86]

yeah I cut my samco aswell

 

[davebem]

If the phase1 airbox is that good, how come they never kept the cylinder design for the ph2 / 182's ??

No idea why renault changed it, they prefered to use a ph1 setup on some of the cup race cars for a while. Some say the ph1 box sounds nicer but a ph1 doesnt have accustic valve.

Haven't read about the elbow, and also was surpriced that you posted it did not fit properly. Anyway I ready about the coolant hose that can shear through due to the airbox rubbing against it. So check that.

Thats a good point, on a ph1 they have some nylon wrapped round the pipe and a plastic clip to protect the hose from being rubbed by the box.

 

[franx]

Mine is defo scrubbing the coolant hose, not a good thing..

once battery goes to the back i'll be looking for a 45degree angle elbow so the box sits where the battery used to be.
Because such an elbow probably does'nt come with the oilbreather connection i'll put a filter on the tube, or an oilcatch tank.

Anybody know if there should be suction (?) or vaccume on this pipe for the oil to be able to come out ? (Because you'd think so with it being sucked in to the TB as it is on the original setup) ?

Maybe the tube will get clogged up when there's no vaccume, then just a filter will be a bad idea

 

[Neil G]

If the phase1 airbox is that good, how come they never kept the cylinder design for the ph2 / 182's ??

Good question

TBH Mk2 designed to be used with Mk2 airbox and acoustic valve so best left alone.

 

[franx]

Only difference in setup will have been yet even more environmetal issues . Every new car they make is "cleaner" than the one before, sacrificing optimal speed+enginepotential.
Keeping down exhaust emissions is a big theme for the Reno boys, not for me

When getting mine remapped it will be for this setup; more air in, more fuel in, no cat , so a very environmental unfriendly car but it will shift and that's what counts

With a possible cam-change by Fastchip coming up this airfilterjobbie was a good preperation me thinks.

:approve:

 

[franx]

^^ mind you, i do think we need to keep mother earth clean ! Never toss anything out the window or things like that But every now and then getting the CO2 producer/global warmer out of the barn for some thrashing also keep me happy

 

[franx]

other happy converters
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=265351&highlight=phase+one+airbox

i've just done a search again and there are really loads of people quite enthousiastic and satisfied with it

End of.. Phase 1 box is defo better than the "square" phase 2

 

[FeelX]

Franx Hillpower sells these elbows with a breather setup....connect just like to original elbow, only smoother/wider inside diamter and not ribs if I remember correctly. So can be cut right to the size so everthing fits like a glove.

(there might be more who sell these)

Ow and we talked about both doing cams maybe...well that's a no go for me, because I changed priorities a bit. Need to get a house first. However small mods will likely be made

btw what the sound like of the ph1 box? in comparison to the ph2 box?

 

[Harry_manback]

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=283985

this was my attempt, with standard elbow and no cutting.
might need to fettle with it for a few hours to get it sitting right!

 

[franx]

Franx Hillpower sells these elbows with a breather setup....connect just like to original elbow, only smoother/wider inside diamter and not ribs if I remember correctly. So can be cut right to the size so everthing fits like a glove.

(there might be more who sell these)

Ow and we talked about both doing cams maybe...well that's a no go for me, because I changed priorities a bit. Need to get a house first. However small mods will likely be made

btw what the sound like of the ph1 box? in comparison to the ph2 box?

The phase 1 box with the bigger feeds does have an induction noise to it.
Happy house-hunting !

 

[franx]

Franx Hillpower sells these elbows with a breather setup....connect just like to original elbow, only smoother/wider inside diamter and not ribs if I remember correctly. So can be cut right to the size so everthing fits like a glove.

(there might be more who sell these)

Ow and we talked about both doing cams maybe...well that's a no go for me, because I changed priorities a bit. Need to get a house first. However small mods will likely be made

btw what the sound like of the ph1 box? in comparison to the ph2 box?

It does have a bit of induction noise to it, prob because of the bigger CAFs.

Happy house-hunting !!