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A Clio 16V will be just a little quicker standard for standard in a straight line. They dont have the flexibility of a GT Turbo, but are a little quicker through the gears and definitely so at the top end. If youre after more flexibility and a little more speed, a Williams or 2.0-converted 16V will be the next step up the ladder.
It depends really on what state of tune your GT Turbo is in. If its standard then all of the hot Clios will keep you happy, but youll have a hard time matching a tuned GT Turbo with, say, over 150bhp.
A fair few people here will tell you that the 172/182 are quicker than the 16V and Willy. Have a look at some 1/4 mile times before you make up your own mind. Healthy standard Williams get into the high 14s, which (without taking this off-topic) Im not sure that non-Cup 172s do that often?
Of course, its not just speed youll be interested in. Generally speaking, the 172 and after are reasonably well built and new enough not to need major jobs doing. 16V and Williams models can rob you of your entire life savings if you buy a sh*tter and are intent on making it perfect again (just as a 10 year old 172 will in the future no doubt).
Handling is generally accepted to be more feelsome in the 16V and reaches a peak with the Willy. The 172 Cup is probably the most highly regarded new Clio. All are thought to be better than the GT Turbo, but not by as much as people often think - the GT Turbos handling is often under-rated.
I would agree a standard 5GTT will be slower speed wise but not in the 0-60 run! ive had both and the GTT was a lot quicker i think but tended to fall apart a LOT and to generally feel very oldschool. I loved my 5 to bits but also love the 16v for different reasons (mainly the power steering and better feel to the car).
You will enjoy the 16v lots if your 5GTT was standard but if it was tuned then you will feel the 16V to be a little slow (mine was running about 14psi had a filter & Exhaust so was probably above 150bhp as the engine was in superb condition) But you will get used to it. If not go for one of the newer clios like the cup, the cup is a VERY quick car in standard form. and my slightly tuned 5GTT wouldnt keep up with my mates. what ever you choose im sure you will love it and have fun
Drive safe kids!
Simon
Rich-D
ClioSport Club Member
E90 LCI 330d
Speeds got too high for the 5 to have a chance though... they are better in lower speed blasts.Quote: Originally posted by SimonGTT on 20 July 2004
I sure did yeah! i couldnt beleive how far behind i actually was.Aye... you did get left behind on that little blast we had...
Nice to have the choice of both sat on the drive though!
erm i have to disagree...
at pod on saterday there were 16vs that had say an exhaust and filter.... which is pretty much standard on 16vs atm.... and a gtt with an exhaust and filter running standard every thing else would piss all over a 16v.... i saw a completely standard raider standard exhast standard every thing against a 16v with exhaust etc... and the raider handed the 16v its ass on a plate....
these were dragging 0-100 atleast... a 16v isnt that quick... i mean there was a williams there with ktec and that was running slower that some of the 16vs
Yeah Mal was.
The GTT on acceleration is quicker on acceleration that little bolt on thing called a turbo has that effect and imo makes it more fun, the clio is quicker top end and will probably sit more comfortably on the motorway than a 5 does and yes i have had both and a 19 16v as well.
Rich-D
ClioSport Club Member
E90 LCI 330d
Quote: Originally posted by Rich-D on 20 July 2004
Theres no way theyll be getting to 100 over the 1/4 mile...Upper 80s to low 90s
what no gtts would get over 100 ?? if so your wrong some were hitting 105... mike did a 1/4 mile in 12.1 sec !
Rich-D
ClioSport Club Member
E90 LCI 330d
Not in standard or lightly modded form they wont!
You said >>>
"a gtt with an exhaust and filter running standard every thing else would piss all over a 16v"
Now suddenly youre talking about heavily modded cars running in the low 12s!?
Get back on track...
Quote: Originally posted by Rich-D on 21 July 2004
Welcome to my world...Quote: Originally posted by Dutch 172 on 21 July 2004
I want one as a second car, just for some quality dump valve noises.
Ah! but what will you do when i buy yours Rich? you wont hve any "dump, dump fizz" then will you...
Yeah right !!Quote: Originally posted by GazTwo on 21 July 2004
After owning two 5s Im now waiting for the ultimate 5 to come up for sale that has been sat in a garage since new...somebody out there will have it and it will be mine....
Only reason a 5 would be sat in a garage is cause the head gasket went due to some boost junkie cranking it up!
Better off restoring one mate.
GazTwo
ClioSport Club Member
Blue c/w Gold Wheels
Im talking about some rich guy had bought one done a couple of thousand miles bought something else and threw it in the garage and only brings it out for its service....one day he will need the space for something else and Ill be there to buy it....and before anyone says anything he will be to rich to care what he sells it for.
_Tom
ClioSport Club Member
Check this one out then:-
http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=16&TopicID=99669&SearchPagePosition=1&search=tom16v&searchMode=allwords&searchIn=Author&forum=0&searchSort=dateDESC&ReturnPage=Searchhttp://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=16&TopicID=99669&SearchPagePosition=1&search=tom16v&searchMode=allwords&searchIn=Author&forum=0&searchSort=dateDESC&ReturnPage=Search
thought the phase 1 was 0.1 sec quicker in the 0-60 run than phase 2?
