Spacers

[Harpham]

Ok, so i've got a couple questions with regards to running spacers on the Sunflower.

I'm wanting to fill out the arches. Pretty much the last thing, aesthetically, that I want to do.
My concern is which size to go for. I'll be ordering them from Dan@M.A.D. on here.

I'm currently running the TPI Polarised Bolts, so i've been told that 20mm is the smallest sized spacer that I can go without having to mess around with different bolts etc (as if I have the preferred 15mm, the bolts will be too long). Also, from a safety perspective, I want "bolt to the hub" type, so that knocks out the smaller spacers doesn't it?!
Will this size cause problems with scrubbing etc on either the front or rear?
What is the exact offset of OZ F1's?

In an ideal world, id go for 20mm front & 15mm rear (as I don't think the rears need spacing as much), but as this doesn't seem a possibility with the bolt issue, should I go 20mm all round or 25mm front & 20mm rear?

So many questions... What do you guys think?

Oh and here's a comparison of the wheels between mine & Stu's sunflower:

CSS '12 - His & Hers by Harpham y0, on Flickr

He's running 25mm on the front and 15mm on the rear. His 'flower obviously being quite a bit lower than mine.

 

[jjones82]

I've got 25mm all round on my ph1 and tbh i think the front could come out a little more maybe an extra 5mm or so to really fill the front i think the back on mine looks spot on with 25mm.
I've heard some peeps complain or rubbing on the rear with any more than 15mm especially if lowered but i think they may all have been phase 2's, although i havent had any issues at all (i'm on prolines btw).
Pretty sure the burpspeed car runs 30mm up font and 25mm on the back too.
Think offset of the Oz's is 37.5 (From memory so dont take it as gospel)
Fk did a 16mm bolt to the hub spacer i think but there were issues with it needing machining to fit as the lip was to small for the actual hub for it to fit flush.

 

[Greeny.]

I cant run anymore than 5mm's on the rear of mine without major rubbing, thats with Cup Turinis. Pain in the arse!

 

[Harpham]

Cheers guys.

So what's the difference in offset between the F1s and Cup Turinis? Do the Turini alloys stick right out already?
Need to make sure I get this right before I order lol.

Should I go for 20mm all round or does the front need to be slightly higher to keep all the wheels looking in line? (If that makes sense)

 

[Harpham]

Anymore insight into this subject?

 

[GeorgeH]

going from that pic id go for 25 front 20 rear.

yours isnt as low so shouldnt be a problem

my 1.6 on sportlines rubbs every so slightly when turning and breaking at the same time on the rear, bit odd, and its on 15mms

 

[Greeny.]

I couldn't even run 15's on the rear with cup turinis when I was on Apex springs, constant rubbing! I got away with 25's on the front with the Apex springs but when I lowered it a little more on the RSX's they rubbed... alot. Need more camber

 

[Harpham]

The issue is that I know Stu's rears rub slightly, so even though mine isn't lowered as much, I'm not sure whether it will cause me problems.
His fronts supposedly rub too when cornering hard, but that's not a concern of mine as I don't rag my car about too hard.

 

[dmallett]

25mm front, 5mm rear.

Tried 15mm rears and 10mm rears and got too much rubbing. That was about 10mm higher at the rear then also.

 

[Harpham]

That's very helpful matey. Do the front wheels stick out much further than the rears (what with there being a 20mm difference with spacer size)?!
reason I ask is because I'm OCD and want everything to be in line

That gives me a very good idea of what I need to do though, as going by that photo, 20mm will be far too big for the rears. Even 15mm may be too big for the rear (although it looks alright on Stu's).

How low are you btw? I'm running PI springs, which have lowered it about 30mm for reference.

 

[DannyR]

Front arches are about 20mm wider than the rears

Another with the same 25/5mm

 

[Harpham]

Do you get rubbing at all Danny?
What's the deal with 5mm spacers? Do you need to get some shorter bolts or anything?

Or even with that in mind, would I pull off just having 20mm spacers on the front and leave the rears as is?

 

[dmallett]

That's very helpful matey. Do the front wheels stick out much further than the rears (what with there being a 20mm difference with spacer size)?!
reason I ask is because I'm OCD and want everything to be in line

That gives me a very good idea of what I need to do though, as going by that photo, 20mm will be far too big for the rears. Even 15mm may be too big for the rear (although it looks alright on Stu's).

How low are you btw? I'm running PI springs, which have lowered it about 30mm for reference.

No idea how low it was, was on coilies. I personally preffered it with 5mm rears, on 15mm it did look awesome from behind!

25mm front, 15mm rear.

Again

From behind,

Same thing, 25mm front 5mm rear.

Both cars from behind,

Hope that helps

 

[DannyR]

Do you get rubbing at all Danny?
What's the deal with 5mm spacers? Do you need to get some shorter bolts or anything?

Or even with that in mind, would I pull off just having 20mm spacers on the front and leave the rears as is?

No rubbing at all. I'd use longer wheel bolts but yes, just 5mm longer bolts.

Rears look really tucked, 5mm makes a difference.

 

[Sam]

No rubbing at all. I'd use longer wheel bolts but yes, just 5mm longer bolts.

Rears look really tucked, 5mm makes a difference.

Ive got 5MM spacers on the rear of mine and you dont really need longer wheel bolts.

Ive had no problems in the 12 months ive had mine on.

 

[Harpham]

Dmallett, that's wicked. Really appreciate the comparisons. I think 15mm looks too much for the rear. It may be a case of going with 20mm front (as I think that for how low mine is, 25mm may be slightly too much) and 5mm rear.

Ive just had a quick measure and my crappy style got it as there's somewhere between 15-20mm gap between my rear wheel and arch, so I think 5mm would give that nice look.

I may get it touch with the TPI guys to see if they can supply me with some bolts that are slightly longer.
Does it matter too much about 5mm spacers being hubcentric or anything like that, or can you just go universal if its that small and not bolting to the hub?

 

[Sam]

Mine are universal ones on the rear. 5MM is nothing, theres still plenty of hub for your wheel to sit on to.

 

[Harpham]

I've heard too many horror stories about it though. Either way, it's still 5mm less of the bolt in the hub. Best to be safe, than sorry IMO.
I did run 5mm spacers on my 1.2 without longer bolts, but in the back of my mind, I was always worrying about any potential accidents.

 

[Harpham]

Right, so to add to the confusion for me, I've just measured my standard bolts.

Standards: 33mm
TPI: 28mm (going by what the GB thread states)

So they're already 5mm shorter than standard bolts, so I wouldn't want to lose anymore by risking not getting extended bolts.
The confusion now is what size I should request if I go to TPI and they can supply me with longer bolts. 38mm?!

 

[Harpham]

After doing more research, I found that standard bolts are generally 28mm on these anyway.

Ive just phoned the guys that did the GB for the TPI bolts and they can provide a 50mm TPI bolt for £2.80 each, which they can then machine down to specified size for £1 per bolt, which would mean a total cost of £30.40 for 8 bolts. (They don't do locking bolts in anything bigger than 28mm unfortunately though).

Now I just need to decide on what size these bolts need to be at. Go with 33mm? Or be safe and add a little extra length on, say 35mm?

 

[dmallett]

Not considered studs ? Sure they do them in the polarised look (or whatever it's called lol)

 

[Sam]

Yeh, studs are strong and its easier when buying spacers.

My old rep had 80 MM studs on the front and a 25MM spacers.

You can buy polarized nuts and they look just the same.

 

[dmallett]

Yeh, studs are strong and its easier when buying spacers.

My old rep had 80 MM studs on the front and a 25MM spacers.

You can buy polarized nuts and they look just the same.

100% do this.

 

[Harpham]

I know nothing about studs. Any links to info/products?

 

[Sam]

I wrote a guide on here called Stud Conversions.

Take a look at it.

 

[Harpham]

^ I did check this out. Too much hassle and I don't really like it tbh.

Another question. I may opt for 10mm on the rear. What is the furthest that bolts can be screwed into the hub on the rear?
Reason I ask is due to bolt size. Ill be ordering some extended bolts, but wasn't sure on size. The extended bolts are 50mm before being machined down, so I was thinking to maybe just order them as is so that I have plenty of leeway and thread within the hub, to minimise risk of an accident.

 

[Daz_RT_04]

Been looking at spacers for my Ph1.

Think im sold on 25mm - 5mm as mines lowered on coilovers. Canny be arsed with scrubbing!


Danny - Did you find the car felt much different to drive on this setup?

 

[Mr R.]

I had H&R 25mm spacers on the front of mine when it was on Sportlines but because it was not low enough i thought it looked wrong, so i sold them and lost £££££.
Because the rears sat in it looked like id fitted the wrong off set wheels on the front!! I also like the look of the wide front wings but with spacers you seem to loose the look, but not having spacers makes the front wheels look small...grrrr

Ive now got mine on Spax coilovers so it sits at the right height now, im now going to fit spacers again but the same as you i dont know what sizes to go for but it must be the same all round (being anal and all)

Scott

 

[DannyR]

Been looking at spacers for my Ph1.

Think im sold on 25mm - 5mm as mines lowered on coilovers. Canny be arsed with scrubbing!


Danny - Did you find the car felt much different to drive on this setup?

With the spacers I'd never driven with Coilovers or spacers so its hard to say. I had to fit spacers for the Coilovers. A wider track makes it better but whether you can feel any difference is debatable. I had to out them on so thought I'd bring the wheels flush

 

[scotty10]

does fitting these have a reduced turning circle my full lock is poor compared to my focus

 

[Paul172sport]

I had H&R 25mm spacers on the front of mine when it was on Sportlines but because it was not low enough i thought it looked wrong, so i sold them and lost £££££.
Because the rears sat in it looked like id fitted the wrong off set wheels on the front!! I also like the look of the wide front wings but with spacers you seem to loose the look, but not having spacers makes the front wheels look small...grrrr

Ive now got mine on Spax coilovers so it sits at the right height now, im now going to fit spacers again but the same as you i dont know what sizes to go for but it must be the same all round (being anal and all)

Scott

Have you any pics of it on the sport lines and 25mm
s was thinking of getting some for mine.

 

[Cup_Phil]

Harpham - you considered getting 10 or 15mm spacers like the ones Ed's selling for the rear. They go between the beam and hub - so move the entire hub further out meaning you could use the bolts you have now
Then get some 25mm hub centric spacers at the front and you won't need any new bolts at all

 

[Greeny.]

does fitting these have a reduced turning circle my full lock is poor compared to my focus

Yes, however I only really ever noticed it when using 25's.

Was gunna get some 15's for the front of mine again as 25's rub badly, however might be ok when I run -2.5 camber I guess, although my 15's stick out in the arches a fair bit compared to the Turinis so I dunno :S

 

[Harpham]

Harpham - you considered getting 10 or 15mm spacers like the ones Ed's selling for the rear.

Yeah, I was looking into this the other day tbh, as it'll work out more cost efficient to do this anyway. I think ill only go 5mm on the rear now though tbh, as I don't think the rear is low enough to warrant a bigger spacer.

 

[Mr R.]

Have you any pics of it on the sport lines and 25mm
s was thinking of getting some for mine.

No sorry mate, i only had them on the car for a week or so.

 

[scotty10]

ill need to check if my cars got some on.....turning is poo

 

[jjones82]

ill need to check if my cars got some on.....turning is poo

The turning circle ain't brilliant as standard! You can see if u have spacers through the spokes of ur alloys