Speed OR Acceleration

[Max172cup]

Ok, apologies if this has been posted before.

What would you rather have. Your car, that is limited to say 90, but will accelerate to 60 in say 4.5-5 seconds, your car as it is that will do over 100.

The reason I ask this question is I read a lot of posts these days that say “Well yes, yours will be quicker to 60, but over 100 mine will pull away yadda yadda yadda”

Now call me an old man (I’m only 24) but I’m not a big fan of spending much time over 100 as I value my license way too much (no points so far touching wood as I say this!) and my car gets pretty damn noisey over 100 mph anyhow.

So would you rather have a car that reaches speeds under 100 quicker than normal, or would you sacrifice acceleration for outright speed.

I for one would rather have a blisteringly quick accelerating car, a bit like a WRC rally sl*g!

Answers on a post(card) below.

Max




[Edited by Max172cup on 04 July 2004 at 12:44am]

 

[richy]

acceleration personally, top end isnt much use in this country

 

[JAY172]

id have accleration as well.

 

[Dan##]

id have the quick acceleration everyday, without a doubt! over 100 is dangerous ground anyway! plus then when you beat whoever you racing to 70-80ish ya can stop and say you dont wana risk losing you license!

 

[Max172cup]

ok, well what speed would you say youd be happy with if you could accelerate like sh*t off a teflon shovel?

 

[Dansta]

100

 

[Dash]

Im not a great lover of quick dashes to 60 but I like to go very fast, so I guess Im more of a top speed man. Just a personal feeling thing with me. Like I love heights but hate ladders.

Having a faster 0-60 would help me reach those 150s quicker so I want a bit of both.

 

[kingJimBob]

definatly acceleration.



i like to hit a ton occsionally but if i had to pick a speed where the car would go constant cruise but was restricted to that speed 90 / 100, pointless to go faster.



[Edited by kingJimBob on 04 July 2004 at 1:08am]

Pointless to me, in my situation and dirving experience to go faster than a ton.

 

[Lagerlout]

Acceleration for me.... Id love it if my car was banging off the limiter in top @100mph in 10 secs lol.....

 

[SimonV6]

OK so how are you going to do this??

High power for fast acceleration tends to mean high speed too.

My 255s 6th gear is geared to around 170mph so that a 70mph cruise is only 2950rpm.

lowerin the gearing to max out at max revs at 100 would give higher acceleration but high cruise rpm too...not nice.

I think I prefer it the way it is, then on track days I can go above 100mph and on the Road to if it safe and free of police/speed cameras..lol

Simon.




[Edited by shmall on 04 July 2004 at 1:23am]

 

[Max172cup]

I didnt say i was going to do it, it was a hypothetical question.

You could have a close ratio box. Look at WRC cars, as i mentioned in my first post. Looking at very quick 0-60 (4 or sub 4 if im correct) but a most of them will struggle to do over 120. So thats how you could do that maybe?
It wasnt a day to day thing i was talking about, its what if in the perfect situation, thats all.

 

[SimonV6]

Quote: Originally posted by Max172cup on 04 July 2004


I didnt say i was going to do it, it was a hypothetical question.

You could have a close ratio box. Look at WRC cars, as i mentioned in my first post. Looking at very quick 0-60 (4 or sub 4 if im correct) but a most of them will struggle to do over 120. So thats how you could do that maybe?

It wasnt a day to day thing i was talking about, its what if in the perfect situation, thats all.




Yes sorry I meant how could it be done?

A close ratio box is ok like I said, but would make for crap cruising on Motorways with your 100mph max speed...if your going to be pulling 5000rpm at 75mph.

I like to have a car thats fast on Acceleartion and can cruise at highish speed too

Just a thought, unless you are going to have a special high gear for cruising I guess (overdrive...lol)???

I would think there are not that many that test there cars on a regular basis at full speed (155mph in my case) so acceleration is always nice.

Simon.

[Edited by shmall on 04 July 2004 at 2:03am]

 

[Max172cup]

yeah, its a toughie, and i agree, having a high noise/cruise speed is a b**ch, but id rather have a car than can overtake in the blink of an eye than that can pull past a car at 130mph. Im pretty used to loud noise at high speed with my cup and scorpion exhaust minus centre box!!!

Overdrive would be the way, a nice big leaver on the stearing column! Nice!!

 

[SimonV6]

Quote: Originally posted by Max172cup on 04 July 2004


yeah, its a toughie, and i agree, having a high noise/cruise speed is a b**ch, but id rather have a car than can overtake in the blink of an eye than that can pull past a car at 130mph. Im pretty used to loud noise at high speed with my cup and scorpion exhaust minus centre box!!!

Overdrive would be the way, a nice big leaver on the stearing column! Nice!!





Well I am sure your 172 is good at overtaking now isnt it?... I know my 255 is..... I came back from Notts a few days ago and twice had a stream of cars in front of me (about 10-15 cars) plodding along at 50mph, got to a straight and floored it in 3rd and past them all in one go at 120mph...looking like mad for any police/cameras...lol.. then banged it in 6th and cruised on to the next travaling traffic jam and did the same again...

Acceleration is a great thing

Simon.

 

[Max172cup]

South Notts or North Notts? The A614 north of Notts is a great road for the 8 car overtake, but only in a few areas.

Yeah the 172 is a good overtaker, but ive driven a few quiker cars (mums M3) and id love that pace, with a slower top speed (so i dont lose my liecence!)

Max

 

[SimonV6]

Reckon I m gona invest in a B2 GPS camera detector soon just in case..lol

Also looking into a NOS kit for my 255 to give even more of a burst of speed when needed.. not that the 255 is slow now, but more is always nice..yes?

South Notts on A52 East....

Simon.

 

[Lagerlout]

Quote: Originally posted by shmall on 04 July 2004


OK so how are you going to do this??

High power for fast acceleration tends to mean high speed too.

My 255s 6th gear is geared to around 170mph so that a 70mph cruise is only 2950rpm.

lowerin the gearing to max out at max revs at 100 would give higher acceleration but high cruise rpm too...not nice.

I think I prefer it the way it is, then on track days I can go above 100mph and on the Road to if it safe and free of police/speed cameras..lol

Simon.




[Edited by shmall on 04 July 2004 at 1:23am]

LOL..... I think you got the wrong end of the stick m8..... I never gave any thought to cruising...... just a car that has absolutely savage acceleration upto the ton!!! An ultra-close ratio gearbox, WRC stylee....

 

[Max172cup]

LOL..... I think you got the wrong end of the stick m8..... I never gave any thought to cruising...... just a car that has absolutely savage acceleration upto the ton!!! An ultra-close ratio gearbox, WRC stylee....



Thats what i had in mind to ^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[007]

Not sure why there isnt a Hot Hatch that has a top speed of 100mph but rapid acceleration to get their.

Thats what I want - over 100 is pointless these days.

 

[S2 PTH]

id have a car with 6 gears, 5 of them wud take the car up to 90ish (bouncing off the limiter in 5th) then 6th wud be a HUGE cog and the car wud b limited to 100mph, but only be pulling some crazy low revs like 3000rpm

(the 330i (auto) does 93mph at 3000rpm in 5th... so u can see y its got such a high top end)


[Edited by S2 PTH on 04 July 2004 at 11:06am]

 

[SimonV6]

Quote: Originally posted by lagerlout1 on 04 July 2004

Quote: Originally posted by shmall on 04 July 2004


OK so how are you going to do this??

High power for fast acceleration tends to mean high speed too.

My 255s 6th gear is geared to around 170mph so that a 70mph cruise is only 2950rpm.

lowerin the gearing to max out at max revs at 100 would give higher acceleration but high cruise rpm too...not nice.

I think I prefer it the way it is, then on track days I can go above 100mph and on the Road to if it safe and free of police/speed cameras..lol

Simon.




[Edited by shmall on 04 July 2004 at 1:23am]

LOL..... I think you got the wrong end of the stick m8..... I never gave any thought to cruising...... just a car that has absolutely savage acceleration upto the ton!!! An ultra-close ratio gearbox, WRC stylee....




Yeah but only good for track days. you may as well buy a Caterham seven, they have savage acceleration upto a ton and are sh*t at driving any distance at high speed, very noisey and windy but bloody fast....been in one.

Best would be savage accelleration along with nice cruise, which my V6 255 will have when its NOSd....

...but each to his own...

Simon.

[Edited by shmall on 04 July 2004 at 11:14am]

[Edited by shmall on 04 July 2004 at 11:16am]

 

[CocoPops]

Quote: Originally posted by 007 on 04 July 2004
Not sure why there isnt a Hot Hatch that has a top speed of 100mph but rapid acceleration to get their.Thats what I want - over 100 is pointless these days.


Yep, that is the kinda thing we want.

Just with a low gearing for the final gear for low rev cruising, but rapid acceleration to get there.

 

[S2 PTH]

Quote: Originally posted by shmall on 04 July 2004

Quote: Originally posted by lagerlout1 on 04 July 2004

Quote: Originally posted by shmall on 04 July 2004


OK so how are you going to do this??

High power for fast acceleration tends to mean high speed too.

My 255s 6th gear is geared to around 170mph so that a 70mph cruise is only 2950rpm.

lowerin the gearing to max out at max revs at 100 would give higher acceleration but high cruise rpm too...not nice.

I think I prefer it the way it is, then on track days I can go above 100mph and on the Road to if it safe and free of police/speed cameras..lol

Simon.




[Edited by shmall on 04 July 2004 at 1:23am]

LOL..... I think you got the wrong end of the stick m8..... I never gave any thought to cruising...... just a car that has absolutely savage acceleration upto the ton!!! An ultra-close ratio gearbox, WRC stylee....




Yeah but only good for track days. you may as well buy a Caterham seven, they have savage acceleration upto a ton and are sh*t at driving any distance at high speed, very noisey and windy but bloody fast....been in one.

Best would be savage accelleration along with nice cruise, which my V6 255 will have when its NOSd....

...but each to his own...

Simon.

[Edited by shmall on 04 July 2004 at 11:14am]

[Edited by shmall on 04 July 2004 at 11:16am]

yes thats true, to achieve very fast acceleration u need a really efficent engine and one that spits the fumes out the back ASAP! therefore making it noise/difficult traction wise...

hey, i know wot u guys want- a quad. their nuts, every gear u put it in u go to its max revs instantly, feels so good!

 

[Max172cup]

yes thats true, to achieve very fast acceleration u need a really efficent engine and one that spits the fumes out the back ASAP! therefore making it noise/difficult traction wise...

hey, i know wot u guys want- a quad. their nuts, every gear u put it in u go to its max revs instantly, feels so good!

Yeah, but a quads even less practical than a 7! Plus they dont corner that well and i wouldnt want to be on on in an accident!

Quads are ok on grass as you can easily get the back end out around corners, but on tarmac theyd grip like f**k and because they dont have a wide base and you sit quite high on them youd tip over cornering and any reasonable speed.

 

[simonjones10]

You could half inch one of the old vette boxes!

IIRC - Aston put one of these puppies in the Vantage 600 only they lopped off 6th gear because it would give the car, in theory, some stoopid top speed like 350mph if you could max out the revs in top, they kinda thought this fairly pointless!

Have that as an over drive cog and youd be crusing at a ton on about 1500rpm!

 

[number1]

my mate had a quad on the road i was racing him on my old bike and thought he was gonna stick it into every hedge on every corner cos it was sliding all over the place maybe a nice set of road tyres/slicks wouldve made it better but look quite scary following him, at least my bike was planted solidly on the tarmac

 

[simonjones10]

Saw some quad racing at a supermoto meet at Mallory a while back, on the tarmac sections they were sticking like sh*t to blanket! Fully slicked up!

 

[Rich-D]

Ideally you want rapid acceleration with a reasonable top end speed...



My mate has an Escort Cossie rally car, its an ex Ford works car that was used as Colin McRaes reccy car, but has now been de-restricted and tuned up to nearer 400bhp.

That accerelates at a staggering rate, but tops out at around 120mph where it just simply hits the limiter in 5th.

This is pretty much spot on and you need to go over 100 on track days, but not more than 120

 

[Max172cup]

Sounds awesome, does it have a gearbox without syncromesh? That makes a great sound, but would probably get a little tiring!

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by Max172cup on 04 July 2004

Sounds awesome, does it have a gearbox without syncromesh? That makes a great sound, but would probably get a little tiring!

Yeah, its got a straight cut box on it, its all "proper" rally spec stuff as this was an ex works Group A car!

 

[Rich-D]

Ok, just uploaded some pics to show you >>>

http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1088948890__Adrian_Cossie_01.jpghttp://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1088948890__Adrian_Cossie_01.jpg

http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1088948928__Adrian_Cossie_02.jpghttp://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1088948928__Adrian_Cossie_02.jpg



Not bad for a trackday toy!

 

[Max172cup]

That looks awesome, id love something like that as a trackday weapon. How much does it cost him to keep it running? is it a money sink?

Max

 

[Rich-D]

It aint exactly cheap to run, but its not "that bad" for what it is...

 

[cliotuRS]

lotus elise is simular to that.. pick up a 1999 for 13k. top speed is about 120mph and 0-60 is 5.7 stock.

 

[Wezzie]

Id rather have a mix of both but plenty of handling so cup suits me till im older and can afford an evo8 well maybe evo 16 by the time ill have the cash

 

[Max172cup]

Am i the only one that doesnt want a 4wd turbo jap car? Id much rather have a well looked after intergrale than a scoobitsi type car. Dont know why but i feel that scoobs and evos dont have as much "soul". They are all fly by wire and from what ive heard youve got to be going REALLY fast to feel like your getting somewhere. Thats what i like about the cup, doesnt have to be break neck speeds to enjoy it.

Lotus elise or Caterham are probably the best quick accelerating and low top speed cars, as people have said already.

Max

 

[Jim172CUP]

I like Evos but the thought of putting a tank full of fuel in every other day scares the sh!t out of me.

 

[Martin172]

im with you max - they seem a little clinical to me.

integrale or e30 m3 would be lovely or maybe an old audi quattro!

 

[Eddd]

I like a nice short geared car with acceleration, but 100MPH would be a bit slow for all but a few shot tracks and mountainous rally stages.

And over here, 100MPH is not considered fast or dangerous. We do tend to spend hours cruising at well over 100.

Still, I would take the S1600 car geared for acceleration...