standalone ecu's and mapping, Scotland. ?

[yeecup]

is there anywhere in scotland that supplies and fits and maps standalone ecu's, ie omex etc? and know there way around a cliosport? im going to swr tomorrow to get a couple of bits done and will be speaking to them but i know they dont do there own mapping and outsource it somwhere near them not sure of the name though, however im not sure if they do standalone stuff. im asking due to looking at ITB's i have emailed rs tuning in leeds and xtreme in bathgate but awaiting responses. cheers. jamie.

 

[Mr R.]

Have you not thought about the gen90 mate?
My next move is 421s and ported head.
What TB are you thinking about, not the ones where you have to cut the bonnet?

AT power ones ill be getting at some point.

 

[yeecup]

read some bad reviews with regards ktec and the gen90, and its ££££. yeah im looking at the at powers too, not fussed about the bonnet as i have a spare mint aluminium one as a spare, just doesnt seem to be much info for mappers and standalone ecus up here.

 

[Mr R.]

I thought the omex was alot more expensive?

Im on the look out for a alloy bonnet, just in case. (Have one on the car already)

 

[yeecup]

seen omex 600 with loom on ebay new for circa £800 iirc. im waiting to hear back from some places iv emailed with regards to cost/options. might have to take a trip to rs tuning in leeds.

 

[Mr R.]

Thats cheap, thought they was around £1500 from ktec.

Is there much work in fitting, the gen90 is plug and play that's why I was going to get one.

Dont want to start cutting my loom or my dash to be like a christmas tree...

 

[Kelv]

All you then need, is the AT Power bodies

 

[leeds_182]

Andyrg does good deals on the adaptronic ecu.

 

[Fred@BTM]

i'd avoid the AT stuff, Jenvey is miles better IMO

 

[Fraser.J.]

Thats cheap, thought they was around £1500 from ktec.

Is there much work in fitting, the gen90 is plug and play that's why I was going to get one.

Dont want to start cutting my loom or my dash to be like a christmas tree...

To run a gen90 in a ph1 you need to swap 20 pins about in the plug.

Not that hard a job but fidly and annoying!

Ph2 is plug and play

 

[Mr R.]

i'd avoid the AT stuff, Jenvey is miles better IMO

Dont want to cut my bonnet mate, unless I can find one for sale.

 

[yeecup]

i'd avoid the AT stuff, Jenvey is miles better IMO

in what respect?

 

[Fred@BTM]

way better throttle linkage and they don't sound lie an air cooled VW beetle on part throttle!

no need to cut the bonnet, who told you that!

 

[yeecup]

lol. nothing wrong with the sound of a beetle.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Ive got a set of AT powers for sale, I do agree with Fred that ultimately the Jenveys are better though, but it depends on how far you are going, if its a fairly standard engine (ie not forged high comp and very lairy cams) there isnt really anything in it performance wise, and although I agree the Jenvey linkage is better the AT one still works fine for 10s of thousands of miles if fitted correctly.

 

[yeecup]

its just trying to find somebody to do the ecu work for me thats causing the issue and still havent had a response from rs tuning or extreme motorsport so might give them a call. im waiting to hear back from andyrg. chip im interested in those cams u have are they out of the car yet?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Yes mate, the cams are out of the car and are at Mike@MWMs place.

Have you thought about Russ Paton at Performance HQ? He's got a very good name although not specifically a clio mapper.

 

[Dan519]

Dont want to cut my bonnet mate, unless I can find one for sale.

​stick with stock inlet then. AT's are crap

 

[Chip-mk1]

​stick with stock inlet then. AT's are crap

Thats a bit of a silly statement if he is looking for power gains for trackdays etc as they will certainly make way more power than the stock manifold.

 

[Kelv]

Hasn't Porkie run on AT Power bodies for a good few years now with no drama's, only changing to Jenveys as he is pushing the engine even further?

 

[leeds_182]

Chips are porkies. Unless you're chasing big big numbers I don't see what the issue is with AT's. I was originally going to buy chips and only went jenvey as they wee for sale as an ecu / bodies package.

 

[Kelv]

I know Chips are Porkies, but I'm just trying to say that Porkie ran them for quite some time with no problems in the slightest.
only for sale due to pushing the engine further.

​i also have AT Power bodies.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Hasn't Porkie run on AT Power bodies for a good few years now with no drama's, only changing to Jenveys as he is pushing the engine even further?

Last year I sent Porkies off for a fix on a loose throttle plate as it rattled very slightly, which was only 80 quid to fix and they have now revised the design anyway, been fine other than that, its only because we are after more power on the latest engine that I have swapped over to Jenveys this time.

I prefer the Jenveys, but the AT powers are still great for what most people want.

 

[Mr R.]

My car is to nice to track but as im sad and my car is more of a hobbie, I enjoy spending money on it. (It gives me something to do in my spare time)

My plan was to get the head ported, supertec valves and 421s and also arp rod bolts.
I found out that the AT TB could be fitted without needing bonnet pins which got me thinking id like to do the same after my pockets had recovered from the cams and head work.

 

[Chip-mk1]

My car is to nice to track but as im sad and my car is more of a hobbie, I enjoy spending money on it. (It gives me something to do in my spare time)

My plan was to get the head ported, supertec valves and 421s and also arp rod bolts.
I found out that the AT TB could be fitted without needing bonnet pins which got me thinking id like to do the same after my pockets had recovered from the cams and head work.

Lol, fair enough mate, sometimes its fun doing stuff to your car "just because I can", I can certainly relate to that

 

[Mr R.]

Im not chasing big number's just wanted it a bit quicker than it is already. If the Jenvey tb can be fitted without the fitting of pins yhen this might be an option.

 

[The Russian.]

To run a gen90 in a ph1 you need to swap 20 pins about in the plug.

Not that hard a job but fidly and annoying!

Ph2 is plug and play

"Apparently" Ktec are making a am adaptor for the gen90 to ph1 ecu so it's just plug and play.

 

[Bob0907]

With regards to mapping in scotland, have you tried asking performance HQ in dalgety bay? I have certainly never heard a bad word about them.

 

[Chip-mk1]

With regards to mapping in scotland, have you tried asking performance HQ in dalgety bay? I have certainly never heard a bad word about them.

Russ Paton is excellent, Ive known him about a decade or so now and in that time never heard of anyone unhappy with his work that I can recall, Ive got a lot of respect for him.

 

[Bob0907]

Russ Paton is excellent, Ive known him about a decade or so now and in that time never heard of anyone unhappy with his work that I can recall, Ive got a lot of respect for him.

Good to hear, as thats where my rallye will be going for mapping!

 

[yeecup]

Russ Paton is excellent, Ive known him about a decade or so now and in that time never heard of anyone unhappy with his work that I can recall, Ive got a lot of respect for him.

Thanks for the recommendation, hadn't heard of them. Do they supply standalone ecu's as well?

 

[.Stevo.C.]

Stan at Ecotune would probably be able to do it Jamie.

 

[Cupman29]

Stan at Ecotune would probably be able to do it Jamie.

Do ecotune do install and mapping of standalone ecu's? Thought they only did generic reflashes.

Another vote for Russ at PHQ. Very good name for Subaru and evo mapping but can do Omex too.

 

[Dan519]

AT butterflys come loose on the spindles, crap build quality, and makes them a s**t to balance as the butterflys wobble about under vacuum. linkage is dreadful, servo takeoff points are non existant, and the results from they are not as good as other makes. They look pretty and that is the only good point about them.

 

[yeecup]

AT butterflys come loose on the spindles, crap build quality, and makes them a s**t to balance as the butterflys wobble about under vacuum. linkage is dreadful, servo takeoff points are non existant, and the results from they are not as good as other makes. They look pretty and that is the only good point about them.

Oh..

 

[Chip-mk1]

AT butterflys come loose on the spindles, crap build quality, and makes them a s**t to balance as the butterflys wobble about under vacuum

When they come loose, its a better idea to fix them than to carry on trying to balance them TBH.
The later ones are a lot better than the early ones though, design change apparently although I dont know the details.

linkage is dreadful

Its certainly fiddly to fit, although works ok.

servo takeoff points are non existant

all the ones Ive worked on have takeoff point that are sufficient to still operate the servo, although they do get slightly weak if you are right down at 1krpm when you are braking, but not exactly the end of the world TBH

and the results from they are not as good as other makes

Youve recently claimed about 220bhp on them on a standard engine with little more than just go faster cams on the burpspeed car havent you? Cant see the Jenveys making any significant difference at that level.
Go beyond that though and without a doubt it needs to be Jenveys.

They look pretty and that is the only good point about them.

They look pretty, they fit neatly with standard slam panel and radiator, they give great power gains compared to the standard inlet, there are plenty of good points about them not just that one, although I still personally prefer the Jenveys hence Ive just swapped porkie spec over from AT to Jenveys, but I dont see why you are making out like they just wont work at all when in reality plenty of us have had decent results from them.

They arent the best product on the market, but they do still give good gains.

 

[Adamm.]

And after all the just go for jenvey

 

[Mr R.]

Can the Jenvey set up be fitted without bonnet pins though?

 

[Kelv]

Chip, how quick was the turn around at AT Power?

i had mine up for sale and had a couple of interested parties, but with my mind thinking (as per messages earlier) i may well just go for it anyhow, as the car is only out on trackdays and hardly going to clock up thousands of miles before its pulled apart next year anyhow.
so a quick once over at ATP for peace of mind won't go amiss.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Can the Jenvey set up be fitted without bonnet pins though?

Depends what trumpets and filter you go for.

If you go for a decent length trumpet and a good size filter then no, and if you are building a big spec engine that really justifies the Jenveys over the AT, then you will need to do so.