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Subaru 22b on Collecting Cars



frayz

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Haha. I remember turning these down left right and centre at £25k. Didn’t want one then and don’t want it now. Fair play to anyone who has one that’s now £150k up. 😅👌🏼
 

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Wow! Never knew they were that collectible. Are they THAT sought after?
 

Short Norman

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is the huge price increase over recent years to do with the american market being opened up.

Aren't there certain cars that are not allowed into the states until they are a certain age?
 

Naughty Boy

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s**t car when it was new, even more s**t now. Only thing that’s cool is the wide arch.

Escort cosworth, RS500 etc any day over this.
 

frayz

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s**t car when it was new, even more s**t now. Only thing that’s cool is the wide arch.

Escort cosworth, RS500 etc any day over this.
Agreed, 22B is nothing special but the Escort Cosworth is way shitter, it wouldnt see which way a 22b went!
Doing so would mean you'd have to drive the Escort and that's a disappointment you really don't want.
Bolt one to the wall and look at it, best thing for it. :D
 

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Why do you hate the Escort so much @frayz? :LOL:

I dont hate it, its just crap to drive. Slow, doesnt handle, crap build quality, chassis didnt work as it was too short, the sierra was significantly better.
Just a hugely overrated car. I get that its cool to look at and ive always been a Ford fanboy, hell ive worked for them for the last 23 years!
Im not just talking by todays standard either, i drove them alot in period too.

Just one of those heros i wish i could un-meet.
 

Robbie Corbett

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I dont hate it, its just crap to drive. Slow, doesnt handle, crap build quality, chassis didnt work as it was too short, the sierra was significantly better.
Just a hugely overrated car. I get that its cool to look at and ive always been a Ford fanboy, hell ive worked for them for the last 23 years!
Im not just talking by todays standard either, i drove them alot in period too.

Just one of those heros i wish i could un-meet.
I drove a small turbo with 400ish bhp a few years ago and absolutely loved it. Felt just like a sierra to me tbh?

As standard I can imagine they were quite slow, but a standard cossy was also no rocket by todays standards.
 

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I dont hate it, its just crap to drive. Slow, doesnt handle, crap build quality, chassis didnt work as it was too short, the sierra was significantly better.
Just a hugely overrated car. I get that its cool to look at and ive always been a Ford fanboy, hell ive worked for them for the last 23 years!
Im not just talking by todays standard either, i drove them alot in period too.

Just one of those heros i wish i could un-meet.

I imagine the chassis change was very deliberate, as they wanted to make something more nimble than the Sierra. I guess none of them would feel quick really, especially nowadays. I don't think I'd want any standard Cosworth though. For me, the fun in them was modifying, so it would at least need a few bits done to it.
 

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I imagine the chassis change was very deliberate, as they wanted to make something more nimble than the Sierra. I guess none of them would feel quick really, especially nowadays. I don't think I'd want any standard Cosworth though. For me, the fun in them was modifying, so it would at least need a few bits done to it.
I imagine the shorter chassis with all the group a / WRC bits on with active diffs and all the trimmings probably worked to a degree, although it was never the dominating car in competition it was supposed to be. As a road car the shorter chassis just felt horrid to me and many other Ford folk i know who had Cossies back in the day when they were 2 a penny. The chassis was already 15 years old before the Escort came to light.
I agree with you on the modding front, that engine in its day was a tuners dream.

It was the fact that could be made outrageously powerful that made them exciting. Never the fact they were actually a good car or good to drive. They were a blue collar supercar, huge tuning potential and super fast. They felt 20 years old even when new, and i never enjoyed driving one. The sapphire however i loved, and would have the Sierra over the Escort any day at any money.
 

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Think some people are missing the point that not every car has to be the best/most clinical/precise.

If anything a car with flaws gives it character. Only have to look at Alfa's etc.

To me I'm not fussed how quick a car can go down the road, it's how it looks/sounds and makes you feel that's more important.
 

Robbie Corbett

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Going back to this,

I borrowed a mates quite well sorted Hawk eye for the day and that reminded me of a more modern 4x4 saph. I think it was the transfer box backlash that did it :ROFLMAO:

But I do wonder how may cars I have driven historically, that I would just find awful now if I drove them again. I remember driving my RST and thinking it was the bees knees, then I restored it for a few years, while restoring it I bought a 'temporary' 328i touring. Once the escort was done I discovered that the BMW drove about 10x better, stopped better, handled better and was probably faster in 9/10 situations...

I parked the escort up and haven't driven it in 10+ years, such was the disappointment next to a better yet cheaper car...

It was also the stress, I would drive the escort and see a traffic jam and start panicking because I knew it would start to overheat, so I would switch the engine off then it probably wouldn't want to start or something daft.
 

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I imagine the shorter chassis with all the group a / WRC bits on with active diffs and all the trimmings probably worked to a degree, although it was never the dominating car in competition it was supposed to be. As a road car the shorter chassis just felt horrid to me and many other Ford folk i know who had Cossies back in the day when they were 2 a penny. The chassis was already 15 years old before the Escort came to light.
I agree with you on the modding front, that engine in its day was a tuners dream.

It was the fact that could be made outrageously powerful that made them exciting. Never the fact they were actually a good car or good to drive. They were a blue collar supercar, huge tuning potential and super fast. They felt 20 years old even when new, and i never enjoyed driving one. The sapphire however i loved, and would have the Sierra over the Escort any day at any money.

It wasn't, but I think that was partly down to Ford cocking it up on a management front. Why they let RAS Sport run the cars in 1995 is quite beyond me. The Escort Cosworth won mountains of rallies in both Group N and Group A form, but the WRC team was a bit of a shambles sadly. Still is in a way though 😂

You're right though, the Escort was already out-of-date as soon as it was launched in chassis terms, and the Impreza and Evo quickly overtook it - which I guess is part of why cars like the 22B are so expensive! Stunning looking thing, but I'd much rather have a 4dr Type RA personally.
 

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Agreed, 22B is nothing special but the Escort Cosworth is way shitter, it wouldnt see which way a 22b went!
Doing so would mean you'd have to drive the Escort and that's a disappointment you really don't want.
Bolt one to the wall and look at it, best thing for it. :D

Totally agree, the Ecos would be for looks only.
 

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It’s mad to think I total lossed a 22b with repairs around 20k. I still know the owner of it well and he says he cries into his coffee everyday. He could literally have put the wreck in a shed and left it there. The pictures are on here somewhere.
 

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Mental money. The rare Japanese stuff is going for eye watering sums these days.

Its not Japanese but an E36 M3 Evo went for £250k the other week too :oops:
 

ChrisR

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Remember chatting with one of the guys who owns Torque GT a few years ago now and he was saying how mad things were going even back then.

If only I’d had a few quid 10/15 years ago when some of this stuff was relatively cheap.
 
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I was big into fords back in the day , had an Escort Cosworth as my last ford , and agree they weren't all that , after a tune by MA developments to around 350hp , new suspension , an exhaust change to take all the cats off , it was soooo laggy , better brakes , they have 1 pot calipers on the front , the gearbox was awful , crap ratios , it sent a vibration through the cabin trying to pull away in a low gear around 1600 revs , sent it back to Fords and they blamed the lengths of the prop shaft compered to the Sierra and couldn't be fixed , it was a fun car after you had done a lot of work , and it looks great even today , would I buy another one , no , i'll leave it in the memory banks.
About 5 years ago I bought an Impreza version 5 STi type R impreza , got it quite cheap just before prices started rising , what a great car out of the box , a far better drive than the Escort by miles , my Impreza has had some upgrades to it , an exhaust is the only part that has been changed , with the close ratio gearbox , even today it's great fun to drive.
Visually it's had some major changes , if you have seen the P25 that Prodrive brought out , making 25 brand new cars ( bar the shells ) but with the S5 WRC body kit made of Carbon Fibre , 5 years ago I bought the first customer supplied kit and have been slowly rebuilding my car , finally got the kick up the arse I needed to finish it when I heard Prodrive were unveiling the car in Goodwood this year , the P25 is a great looking car , and some great features , but at £552k make even the 22B look cheap , I still think the 22B is way overpriced , and even if I had the spare cash to buy one , I wouldn't. I don't really get why people are paying that much for them , I can't see it being an investment because I can't see how they can keep going higher and higher , but what do I know !

Anyway , here's my car , Carbon WRC bodykit , the 22B is the same width as a WRC car , but the arches are higher on the WRC , which I think looks a lot better, WRC spec Speedline wheels , now being made in aluminium to the correct offsets , running coilovers to get the right stance , bigger brakes front and rear , I was very lucky to pick up a set of front P1 sets with the blue flashes as I don't like the red ones , it's had a full refresh underneath , and looks as good under there as it does on top , the only items I didn't fit WRC spec is the bonnet vents , as you can get your hands in there , and if I park it up didn't want any unwanted fingers in there , and I kept the standard mirrors so I can actually use them , the WRC mirrors are useless , it's tucked away in my heated garage waiting impatiently for nice weather again , I took it to a car meet a few weeks ago and it rained on the way , so no doubt will need a good clean underneath now lol.

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