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Summer Wax.
- Thread starter Christopher
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M135i and the shed
Interesting. I found AG HD wax a major disappointment on my dads car. Can't understand the durability comment for Vic either. I get 4-6 months out of Vic Concourse which is as much as i'd ever hope to get from a wax of that nature.
Out of interest, how many of you have tried these products on UR?
Out of interest, how many of you have tried these products on UR?
Lets not be silly here, the colour isn't going to affect the performance. It looks superb on Red, fractionally. Just the same as Purple Haze after 3 layers looks great on mine.
You can go backwards from Carbon to Vics, the looks improvement isn't nearly enough to compete with what Zymol bring to the table. The trouble vics has is it's actually a cheap wax... call it stupid if you will but when applying it you know in your head it's a cheaper wax.
The same reason Glasur feels better to use than other waxes, it "feels" special. When waxing that's important. If you're not bothered about that then you'd be as well using Z2 or a ceramic sealant.
You can go backwards from Carbon to Vics, the looks improvement isn't nearly enough to compete with what Zymol bring to the table. The trouble vics has is it's actually a cheap wax... call it stupid if you will but when applying it you know in your head it's a cheaper wax.
The same reason Glasur feels better to use than other waxes, it "feels" special. When waxing that's important. If you're not bothered about that then you'd be as well using Z2 or a ceramic sealant.
M135i and the shed
Can agree with some of that but the comment of car colour not being an issue is bonkers to me. Personally I've experienced products which look epic on blues and blacks but look very life-less and dull on red and vice-versa. The product is very specific to car colour from my experience. Sure some of the top end mega-money waxes deal with all paint colours well but certain waxes suit certain colours from my experience.
My problem with the £100 Zymol offerings is that when you actually drill down in to the carnuba content and ingredients they're actually nothing special.
Of course there is a difference in colours, BOS looks immense on Black and normal on White etc. That isn't the point. I just admitted vics looks immense on Red, there is no doubting that.
It sadly brings nothing else to the table imo. You simply cannot compare using Zymol to other waxes, Swissvax is actually a better set of waxes for application and a few other departments. They still don't feel as nice to use as Zymol. They have stood the test of time.
Look at videos of Glasur sheeting water and tell me it's no different to other waxes. There isn't much I haven't tried mate.
It sadly brings nothing else to the table imo. You simply cannot compare using Zymol to other waxes, Swissvax is actually a better set of waxes for application and a few other departments. They still don't feel as nice to use as Zymol. They have stood the test of time.
Look at videos of Glasur sheeting water and tell me it's no different to other waxes. There isn't much I haven't tried mate.
JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
Just get C1
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M135i and the shed
I'm sure you've tried them all but having also used Carbon and Glasur on different cars in the past i'm not convinced they're worth the extra money. Sure they're great waxes and i've been pleased with the results when i've used them but the reason they're in the £100 bracket is more down to the marketing than the actual physical make-up and ingredients of the waxes imo. I'm convinced you could purchase from the £50 bracket and obtain similar results but without the Zymol fanboy image.
So..........given that we're agreed that certain waxes do suit certain colours, (Vics aside as we're never going to agree!
) what have you used on UR that you'd recommend? And don't just say Zymol! Specifics please (if it is a Zymol product, which one?).
So..........given that we're agreed that certain waxes do suit certain colours, (Vics aside as we're never going to agree!
) what have you used on UR that you'd recommend? And don't just say Zymol! Specifics please (if it is a Zymol product, which one?).
M135i and the shed
Couldnt have put it better myself. For a wax thats going to sit on my paint day in day out in this s**t weather vics wont be it.
Never touched Ultra Red. my mates Jap Red 130i was a flat red car though........
I'm sure you've tried them all but having also used Carbon and Glasur on different cars in the past i'm not convinced they're worth the extra money. Sure they're great waxes and i've been pleased with the results when i've used them but the reason they're in the £100 bracket is more down to the marketing than the actual physical make-up and ingredients of the waxes imo. I'm convinced you could purchase from the £50 bracket and obtain similar results but without the Zymol fanboy image.
So..........given that we're agreed that certain waxes do suit certain colours, (Vics aside as we're never going to agree!
Zymol Carbon. On any colour. Glasur if you want to stretch. But Carbon is so good in terms of looks, durability, water behaviour and the ability to look great after being washed a fair few times - thats why I love it.
Glasur simply does not warrant re applying every month when I want to spend a summer afternoon doing it, with carbon its excusable but not necessary.
M135i and the shed
I see. I'm a little confused about your re-application comment though? Every month? If you're applying it that often then the durability issue you mentioned with Vics is pretty much void surely?
Which wax was used on the 130i?
The photo was actually a spray down with megs 135 detailing spray. But my mate liked using vics red on it, the car colour is actually the reason he bought vics red in the first place. But hes seen sense and always reaches for glasur now.
I like waxing the car. Doesnt need to be waxed every month.
I like waxing the car. Doesnt need to be waxed every month.
M135i and the shed
Golf GT & A4 Avant
I used my vics collectors yellow and concourse red on a flat red Leon fr and I couldn't really tell them apart, get them both on a metallic paint and collectors yellow showed more of the flake. My recent use of Z waxes show that they do add a certain amount of more depth, maybe even darken the colour a little
If I had neither I'd be very tempted with vics, but if I already had carbon I'd stick with it and invest in a carnuba based QD or the carnuba werkstat kit
If I had neither I'd be very tempted with vics, but if I already had carbon I'd stick with it and invest in a carnuba based QD or the carnuba werkstat kit
Sometimes it's not about what's "best". If it was we'd all own C1 or 476's!
476 will outlast nearly any wax on the market but you don't reach for it over Glasur or Bos after a monster detailing session.
It's about more than that to some. That special feeling.
That's why people buy pots of Vintage. It's not 20 times better than Glasur, it simply feels special. The container, the name, the price. It all adds to the occasion.
People in detailing forget this. Imo especially people new to it. That's why they always ask the question about expensive waxes being better.
It might sound stupid, sadly it can be applied to any part of life.
476 will outlast nearly any wax on the market but you don't reach for it over Glasur or Bos after a monster detailing session.
It's about more than that to some. That special feeling.
That's why people buy pots of Vintage. It's not 20 times better than Glasur, it simply feels special. The container, the name, the price. It all adds to the occasion.
People in detailing forget this. Imo especially people new to it. That's why they always ask the question about expensive waxes being better.
It might sound stupid, sadly it can be applied to any part of life.
So so true.. I couldn't think of anything worse than reaching for 476 after a day of machining!
Agreed, Zymol Carbon feels 'boutique', and for £50, it's a no-brainer.
Tried Swissvax Shield on the weekend (£130) and that felt so nice to apply, mostly because it came out of a black pot and went on like butter.
If you have to justify the price of expensive wax you haven't tried one.
Tried Swissvax Shield on the weekend (£130) and that felt so nice to apply, mostly because it came out of a black pot and went on like butter.
If you have to justify the price of expensive wax you haven't tried one.
M135i and the shed
Agreed, Zymol Carbon feels 'boutique', and for £50, it's a no-brainer.
Tried Swissvax Shield on the weekend (£130) and that felt so nice to apply, mostly because it came out of a black pot and went on like butter.
If you have to justify the price of expensive wax you haven't tried one.
Can't agree. I've owned both Carbon and Glasur and i'm convinced that if the Carbon had come in a £20 plastic tub from a different manufacturer i'd have been none the wiser. At the end of the day it's a reasonable wax but it's really nothing special.
The fact that people think it's great value at £50 is a testament to Zymols marketing and nothing else. It's a £20-30 wax in a £50 pot but because of the rest of the Zymol ranges reputation and image they think it's a massive bargain.
Glasur on the other hand does seem to give something a bit extra than some cheaper waxes, especially when i've used it on metallics, but then at the price it's pitched it really needs to be considerably better. Put it this way, I haven't replaced my empty Glasur since I ran out.
Glasur I can see a case for. Carbon i'm afraid not.
M135i and the shed
Second that. Werkstat Acrylic is excellent especially when used with Werkstat Prime as a combo.
Brilliant I was going to get both sealant and wax as well. That'll save me some pennies
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M135i and the shed
Titanium is an interesting one having read the blurb on it. I've never used or seen it used. How did you find the durability in the real world?
M135i and the shed
I know you mentioned Swissvax earlier in the thread. I've used plenty of their other products before but never one of their waxes. Which ones have you had experience of and have you got any feedback on them?
I really rate the rest of their product line so it'd be interesting to know how you found the lower end of their wax range?
I really rate the rest of their product line so it'd be interesting to know how you found the lower end of their wax range?
3 for 2 on werkstat stuff. Is this the stuff you mean gally?
http://www.polishedbliss.co.uk/acatalog/werkstat-acrylic-jett-trigger-cat12.html
http://www.polishedbliss.co.uk/acatalog/werkstat-acrylic-jett-trigger-cat12.html
A fair view, but as I said, the Zymol waxes feel slightly more special for some reason, maybe it is the pot. It's definitely the thing I worry about damaging most in my collection!
After working that hard to clean a car, picking up a nice smelling wax that goes on like butter is so rewarding, especially when buffing off and I definitely think Carbon is worth it's £50 price tag, even if it's just because it can be applied to plastics!
Apologies for not being able to articulate exactly why I am a fan of Carbon, I just am.
As I said, I had a go with Swissvax Shield on Sunday, it's only been on my bonnet since then so I can't comment on durability, but it went on effortlessly and smelt AMAZING. Worth £130? I couldn't say, but it was an enjoyable experience!
M135i and the shed
I see it's aimed at the more durable side of things but do you think the finish it leaves is worth the asking price?
We had a comparison of Prima Amigo (Furthest away), the Swissvax, Zaino Z2, Wolf's Body Wrap (Closest)
Considering the difference between the Swissvax and the Wolf's or the Zaino Z2 which are £22 and £15 respectively, you probably couldn't say it was noticeably £110 better!
Considering the difference between the Swissvax and the Wolf's or the Zaino Z2 which are £22 and £15 respectively, you probably couldn't say it was noticeably £110 better!
Will update the comparison in a month or so as I'm sure a few other people would be interested in seeing it!
Shield is the pick of the bunch imo.
Bos is a show wax, packed full of oils and stuff but those oils wash away after a few washes. Hence the show wax comparison.
Bos always needs a solid base. Shield/Z2 or similar.
A sidenote. All SV waxes smell better than any other wax range. Just a little fact.
Anyway. Onyx isn't as good as Carbon
Glasur is on par with Shield, Shield might possibly last longer but it doesn't quite feel as special.
Glasur is better than Bos imo overall. In show circumstaces and if I had a Black/Red car i'd maybe choose Bos.
Both Shield and Glasur have their own merits tbh.
Bos is a show wax, packed full of oils and stuff but those oils wash away after a few washes. Hence the show wax comparison.
Bos always needs a solid base. Shield/Z2 or similar.
A sidenote. All SV waxes smell better than any other wax range. Just a little fact.
Anyway. Onyx isn't as good as Carbon
Glasur is on par with Shield, Shield might possibly last longer but it doesn't quite feel as special.
Glasur is better than Bos imo overall. In show circumstaces and if I had a Black/Red car i'd maybe choose Bos.
Both Shield and Glasur have their own merits tbh.
JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
You can leave Shield on for a while too, and it's still easy enough to buff off.
Now why would you go and post that up?! id managed to avoid checking the PB website to see if there was any offers on.
Must avoid urge to buy!
It's very good. Nearly all of the SV waxes can be left for so long before removal.
Glasur has more faults than lots of waxes. Maybe why it makes is so endeering, it's a special wax. A bargain vs cost.
Shield is easily a great buy at that price and you'll never struggle to sell it.
Glasur has more faults than lots of waxes. Maybe why it makes is so endeering, it's a special wax. A bargain vs cost.
Shield is easily a great buy at that price and you'll never struggle to sell it.
BOS on my Clio Trophy? Just lush. I just put it on over their cleanser and I find it lasts months, though the car is not a daily.
