lol did you contact Ant ???
Ask him and he might be able to find you the car that you overlooked
not yet. i want his gumball 3000 330d M sport tho.
i will be in touch when im finally going for the purchase
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not yet. i want his gumball 3000 330d M sport tho.
i will be in touch when im finally going for the purchase
Leon Cupra 300
no sorry your wrong
.. the 330d's were still at 184hp after the 51 plate facelift.. hence why my mates dads 52 plate is 184hp..
they went to 204hp in 2003 when the other subtle revisions were made to the range, when the coupe got its facelift (led rear lights etc, different front end) and the saloon and coupe sport models had the new design 18"wheel and the 330 petrol and diesel manuals were given 6 speed box's...
hope this clears a few things up
BMW M4; S1000 RR
This is fair enough, maybe in a red light GP the 182 WOULD have a chance.. But I prefer 50mph upward, at which point it would be in 3rd gear ready for a launch....
Anyway, they're both different cars, people on here seem to prefer both bang for buck, and a fast sounding car.
I like both worlds, going fast, and being comfortable... BTW, you can buy a particle filter for BMWs, so even when remapped... No smoke
BMW M4; S1000 RR
no sorry your wrong
the 330d's were still at 184hp after the 51 plate facelift.. hence why my mates dads 52 plate is 184hp..
they went to 204hp in 2003 when the other subtle revisions were made to the range, when the coupe got its facelift (led rear lights etc, different front end) and the saloon and coupe sport models had the new design 18"wheel and the 330 petrol and diesel manuals were given 6 speed box's...
hope this clears a few things up
Yepyep, my bad :rasp: I'm watching google video..
BMW M4; S1000 RR
163 these days.
Renault Clio 172 Ph2
Is this yet another 20 page repeat of a topic already spoke about several times?
Leon Cupra 300
pre 51 plate facelfit something like 134 ish
after facelift it stayed at 150hp all through E46 production
in 1 series, E90 3 series and X3 and E60 5series its always being 163hp!
BMW M4; S1000 RR
Looks that way... I think I posted 8 pages on my own in the old one... I'll stop now with a nice stereotype. Torque is only for heavy cars and light cars don't need it....:star:
Night all!
R
rich[182]
My wife owns a 2.0 GT tdi and I drive it a lot, underestimate the golf in at rolling speeds in 3rd, 4th and 5th at your peril tbh
Leon Cupra 300
nahh the E60 525d is a S6 2.5 litre diesel making something around 177hp
they have just put this engine into the E90 3series making a 325d, although in this car its 197hp, closing the gap from 320d to 330d...
they only recently brought out a 520d with the 163hp 2.0 4cyl block.
its stupid because for example the X3 and 335d make 286hp and the 535d 'only' makes 272hp.... needs uprating!
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Clio 172 mk2
Yep
I've actually driven one of these Golfs and the handling is dreadful compared to the light, nimble Clio.
Torque it may have bags of but fun it isn't...great for motorway cruising but not much else.
133/225/CLS AMG
With any deisel its all about the torque!! They might not have masses of BHP but they pull like a train, especially from a rolling start.
I followd a new shape Golf TDi in my Meg 225 off a roundabout onto a dual carriageway in 3rd. You could see the driver boot it, bit cloud out of the back smoke, it pulled pretty hard. The Megane reeled it and was off in no time, but for what is effectively a lardy, non sporty model it did go some!!
I followd a new shape Golf TDi in my Meg 225 off a roundabout onto a dual carriageway in 3rd. You could see the driver boot it, bit cloud out of the back smoke, it pulled pretty hard. The Megane reeled it and was off in no time, but for what is effectively a lardy, non sporty model it did go some!!
Trophy
Just wait for the daddy diesel to come out V.soon, 335d!
Altough you would probably bairly get much more MPG than the Petrols (BMW 6 Very efficient) and its more expensive than the Twin Turbo 335i, but the torque will be immense.
Were talking the new coupe here btw.
6.1 to 60
http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/pricesan...g%3D%3D%40bm-V0Q3Mg%3D%3D%40sit-bmwuk,00.html
Altough you would probably bairly get much more MPG than the Petrols (BMW 6 Very efficient) and its more expensive than the Twin Turbo 335i, but the torque will be immense.
Were talking the new coupe here btw.
6.1 to 60
http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/pricesan...g%3D%3D%40bm-V0Q3Mg%3D%3D%40sit-bmwuk,00.html
oooh great, another big engined turdo weisel car... :boring:
just goes to show that with the same engine also running turbo's and using petrol, the gap is still massive in performance terms. diesel is for economy, performance is just a bonus. I dont get this "lets make a fast diesel" b****cks, to make it fast you have to sacrifice fuel economy... may as well buy a petrol at that point, false economy
just goes to show that with the same engine also running turbo's and using petrol, the gap is still massive in performance terms. diesel is for economy, performance is just a bonus. I dont get this "lets make a fast diesel" b****cks, to make it fast you have to sacrifice fuel economy... may as well buy a petrol at that point, false economy
BMW M4; S1000 RR
*slaps face*
335i = 300bhp
335d= 270bhp (and a s**t load more torque)
Not quite such a "massive" gap is it.
And considering you can bring a 335d up to 350bhp for the cost of a session on the rolling road, it is quite a MASSIVE gap.
And economy?? Who cares, it's the faster car. But to make a point, a 300bhp diesel would still happily cruise at 100mph doing 30mpg. Push it and sure you'll sink, but to keep up in the petrol you'd be pissing petrol away.
Nissan 350Z
DERV owners keep forgetting that while DERVs have high torque figures, torque at the wheels isnt much different due to the higher gearing.
BMW M4; S1000 RR
what is it with idiotic diesel owners and all this torque bullshit? it does't mean dick if you cant actually use it, one is 300bhp and has huge power band, the other has 270bhp... and doesn't.
then the tired old diesel owners retort of "well you can do yadda yadda yadda to a diesel". :boring: It's not standard then is it? It's also worth mentioning the twin turbo bit at this point, I'd bet my balls that the petrol one chips up better too, considering they had to limit the power so as not to piss on the M3's chips... afterall, 3.2 NA vs 3.5 twin turbo... do the math
Ask yourself the following:
(Q) what is diesel? (A) some s**t afterthought to petrol, designed for MPV's to carry school loads of children in and bore people on the internet about torque and 500rpm power bands
(Q) why get a diesel? (A) to save money on filling up as often
(Q) why do they all have turbo's these days? (A) remeber hearing about "only a fool breaks the two second rule"?, sure you do. It's so they are not so embarrassingly slow that even when ragged they fail to keep up with regular moving traffic :quiet:
(Q) why does it have so much torque? (A) because once you hit the redline at 2k you need to change gear, the owners need something to brag about... :dead:
(Q) surely if it's running boost it can be tuned? (A) yes it can, BUT IT'S A f**king DIESEL :nono:
BMW M4; S1000 RR
@TheJesus
Nice one!! Good summation, from your highly insightful post I would take a guess that you're about 22 with an IQ of 80, and wear burberry caps when you're driving.
Ever driven a 335d ?? Or any decent diesel infact ???
Of course you have You used to own a Golf TDI but it got wasted everyday by Mr Goodfellow, the 91 year old blindman in his Fiat Uno... You know everything..
Nice one!! Good summation, from your highly insightful post I would take a guess that you're about 22 with an IQ of 80, and wear burberry caps when you're driving.
Ever driven a 335d ?? Or any decent diesel infact ???
Of course you have
You used to own a Golf TDI but it got wasted everyday by Mr Goodfellow, the 91 year old blindman in his Fiat Uno... You know everything..
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BMW M4; S1000 RR
I'd bet my balls that the petrol one chips up better too, considering they had to limit the power so as not to piss on the M3's chips... afterall, 3.2 NA vs 3.5 twin turbo... do the math
Perhaps before you try some maths, you should stop putting Max power stickers on your car and realise that.. Just perhaps, there's someone (or in your case... everyone?) that knows a bit more than you.
The 335i is the E90. It's not competing with the E46 M3. And it's a 3.0 inline with sequential turbos.
It's 300bhp, the turbos are pretty small, and not easy to modify as they're buried in the manifold. Increasing boost is obviously going to happen, but heat issues will stop it going to crazy levels.
Ever thought that BMW might not want the 335d to piss on the M3 ??? Hence having so much potential.
The E90 M3 will be AWD, 400bhp V8. People already believe the 335i will be able to hold it's own against it with a few mods. Same goes for the 335d.
The 335i is getting roughly 350hp with a chip... Considering the 535d can get 360bhp with the same treatment, I expect the 335d would be quicker than the 335i if it had a manual transmission.
I am even starting to think you might be trying to make a joke, but I've seen the interlect of your posts before...
@TheJesus
Nice one!! Good summation, from your highly insightful post I would take a guess that you're about 22 with an IQ of 80, and wear burberry caps when you're driving.
Ever driven a 335d ?? Or any decent diesel infact ???
Of course you have
I bet you feel this big then being out witted by a 22 year old who wear's burberry and has an IQ of 80... nothing to be proud off (bit like owning a diesel really :quiet::rasp
.never driven a 335d, or a 335i TT... why, do I have to in order to know that the 335i TT is the quicker car with much bigger tuning potential? Personally I try to avoid diesel where possible... especially on the motorways... did you notice that it's only ever diesel that seems to get spilled onto the roads too? I guess they take more care over 'the precious' :clown:
I dont make a habbit of driving diesels, let alone having the ill sense to actually purchase one. I have had a diesel hire care, a Passat TDi effort. I think it was chipped as it could beat Ferrari's and it had this well cool James Bond black smoke screen that all you had to do to activate it was press the go pedal :lolup:
The CLucth and intercooler are a fault of the tunners not mapping right IMO or mapping to customer requirments not what the car needs I don't see what clutch slip the fault of the car's engine?
As for the MPG I'm sure last time I had any petrol I got 30mpg at best I get 50 in a diesel. Myabe 45 compaired a more Hp diesel.
Servicing is down to manurfacturers most set the same intervals for petrol and diesel Clios its 18K (RS excepted)
Diesels will do better and better regardless of people preconceptions the S500 might be the best engine in the range but the 320cdi was the car which sold 60% of the whole number at the end of the day the better car only won the better car of the year award not kept the company in business. Even Suburu and Lexus are/have gone to diesel.
A tunned petrol won't be as economical as a equivalent diesel regardless you may loss some MPG but if its 505 better in the first place so what?
Nissan 350Z
Yes, really.
Diesels owe their flexibility in part to the big torque figure, yes, but all i am saying is that at the wheels, its taller gearing reduces it close to the levels of a decent petrol. The main difference is though, where it occurs in the rev range. In diesels, it occurs very low in the rev range, whereas in petrols, it occurs higher.
Now, most people who arent car enthusiasts think that revving a car isnt good for it, so they get diesels which seem to feel fast without having to rev it. However, petrol cars are designed to be revved, so someone who knows how to drive a petrol properly will not get left by an equivalent powered diesel because they wont be afraid to rev it hard. However, your average numptie might think they'll blow the car up by revving it hard.
To be fair, i dont miss the torque of the diesel that much. The clio has roughly as much pull in 5th as the TDI did in 6th, 4th was the equivalent to 5th, etc etc... Difference is when i want to drive flat out, the 50 bhp extra power that my petrol delivers, not to mention its more linear, natural power delivery, means its simply a lot more satisfying.
Because of the differences in delivery, i found myself driving the diesel at silly speeds almost all the time, because it was so effortless. However, when you called for more speed, it didnt have much more to give. With the 182, i have to drive with more intent to go fast, but when i want to go flat out, it takes on a different character.
J
jbaddeley
I've got a TDi 130 Golf and a tuned cup. Take the golf anytime, unless I'm on track or want to go quickly round bends!
BMW M4; S1000 RR
I thought you said diesels don't have more torque than petrols.... Hmm.
Anyway, that's bullshit.
50hp more will win everytime, especially considering it weighs less.
Obviously you need power to go actually accelerate at any pace, which is where my point comes in...
200bhp and 400nm DERV
vs
200bhp and 200nm PERV
Once you're out of 1st and 2nd gear the diesel will be faster in a straight line, and faster everywhere else anyway.
I guess all that R+D for diesel technology these past years have been a waste though, because apparently anything that reaches 7000rpm goes into warp drive.
you right cliokhunt, my bad, it's a 3.0 TT not a 3.5, and yes, it's not competing with the E46 M3 because they have made it slower for that very reason with the new M3 not being out. Kinda like the 330i not being as quick as the E36 M3.
The 535d can't get 360bhp from a chip either pmsl, where do you get this nonsense from? I think you have been looking at DMS' power claims a little too much, most anyone has actually seen is 330bhp... on DMS rollers (hmm), most however are around 310-320bhp :lolup:. What does this whopping power also give you after a chip? 13.8 SQM... hardly M5 territory, the 335i does it in 14.0 standard. Great cars for what they are, which is carting crap around in usually... or in the 535d's case, sales reps (same thing I spose...). So 700nm or torque doesn't really do a great deal when it's at the bottom of the rev range and lasts about a second does it? :clown:
The 535d can't get 360bhp from a chip either pmsl, where do you get this nonsense from? I think you have been looking at DMS' power claims a little too much, most anyone has actually seen is 330bhp... on DMS rollers (hmm), most however are around 310-320bhp :lolup:. What does this whopping power also give you after a chip? 13.8 SQM... hardly M5 territory, the 335i does it in 14.0 standard
. Great cars for what they are, which is carting crap around in usually... or in the 535d's case, sales reps (same thing I spose...). So 700nm or torque doesn't really do a great deal when it's at the bottom of the rev range and lasts about a second does it? :clown:
MINI JCW
Yes but a diesel with the same bhp figure as a petrol will cost significantly more and have a marginal performance advantage.
The Renault Clio is a great example: Using the 1.4 petrol (98bhp) and the DCI (106bhp)
the DCI is 0.2 secs faster to 60 and 0.3 secs faster to 1000m, so hardly anything in it. The diesel also costs £2250 more. The 1.6 petrol is still much cheaper but is quicker obviously the DCI is better on economy though
MarkCup
ClioSport Club Member
That sums it up nicely for me.
MINI JCW
The diesel will be slightly faster if it has the same BHP, it will also cost a significant amount more
I've driven lots of diesels - they're great - 530d, 120d, Golf Tdi 150, VRs all sorts of modern oil burners..... they're brilliant if you want to go fast without trying. They're great at munching motorway miles. And the torque is fun to ride on. Decent MPG to boot - they make a lot of sense.
But having driven any of these cars do you think I ever once headed for the nearest tunnel, opened both windows, sat on cam at 5k rpm in second and then hammered them to the red line?
Did I f**k!! That for me is the difference. You can stick your torque figures, in gear, out of gear, remap b****cks up your arse. Don't think.... feeeeeeel!!!
But having driven any of these cars do you think I ever once headed for the nearest tunnel, opened both windows, sat on cam at 5k rpm in second and then hammered them to the red line?
Did I f**k!! That for me is the difference. You can stick your torque figures, in gear, out of gear, remap b****cks up your arse. Don't think.... feeeeeeel!!!
My thoughts on the whole tdi thing.
i aint raced a golf, but i raced a mapped fabia. We did 2nd gear on the motorway (he knew that if we did a standing start i would leather him) he pulled about 1 and half to 2 cars on me instantly, i come back and was just infront till about 140, he wasnt far off though, very quick they are.
if a standing start would mean i be a nice healthy distance in front then so be it, i only did a 2nd gear onwards race
they have 230 ft of torque though, what can you expect.
i aint raced a golf, but i raced a mapped fabia. We did 2nd gear on the motorway (he knew that if we did a standing start i would leather him) he pulled about 1 and half to 2 cars on me instantly, i come back and was just infront till about 140, he wasnt far off though, very quick they are.
if a standing start would mean i be a nice healthy distance in front then so be it, i only did a 2nd gear onwards race
they have 230 ft of torque though, what can you expect.
CB600FS
Yeah granted the 1.6 is cheaper, but I wouldnt say its quicker, not a chance.
I'd say the DCI (80 not the 65) is faster, maybe the 1.6 is better in 1st.
Has anyone not driven a diesel in the last 5 years? :boring: The point is diesels are meant to be ecenomic, and still get 60+mpg while being on par(sp) with a equievelant petrol?
edit. Jesus you have some very valid points, not arguing just saying dont eat me
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MINI JCW
Look on the Renault website the 1.6 petrol is faster than the dci 106 down the qtr mile strip and faster to a km, what bit of faster dont you understand?
