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2004 ph2 172
I've been wondering the same thing.... though mine would definitely see road - still interested in the answer though 
TrackCar & F30 330d
I have kept the standard 182 rack and it's fine to use. Only moved it around my drive tho
Daz on here has just kept the standard rack on his cup and he said it's fine. So save your money and keep the rack, I have pics in my project thread. Also I actually heard you can only expect up to 5 bhp after removing ac & pas
Do you have a progress thread ben? You always seem to build pretty epic track cars
Daz on here has just kept the standard rack on his cup and he said it's fine. So save your money and keep the rack, I have pics in my project thread. Also I actually heard you can only expect up to 5 bhp after removing ac & pas
Do you have a progress thread ben? You always seem to build pretty epic track cars
ITB'd MK1
Absolutely!! I've done it to my mk1, and used a 1.2 rack. Paddy has done the same, and his car performed brilliantly on track on saturday. Infact the only mechanical failure out of 5 clios at Bedford on saturday was a PAS pump
TrackCar & F30 330d
It seems to be quite the craze at the mement! Quite a few people ditching the pas. Such a myth about it been unbearingly difficult to use after it's gone
clio 182
you can block up the PAS rack like chrispy has done, check his project thread.
i will soon have my car on track again so i will let you know how i find it, on the road its not alot of hassle, parking etc is fun though :dead: once your going though its fine, so much more steering feel and you feel more involved!
i will soon have my car on track again so i will let you know how i find it, on the road its not alot of hassle, parking etc is fun though :dead: once your going though its fine, so much more steering feel and you feel more involved!
MarkCup
ClioSport Club Member
There's far more than just a few bhp on offer from removing the power steering...here's mine, before and after power curve...
As said above, is quite a challenge when parking. Had to run my Cup as a daily for two weeks recently, harness and bucket seat were more of a pain in the a*se than the steering...but I found myself always looking for the easy parking spots LOL.
Feel as said is massively improved, feels like you have the front wheel tyre tread in the palms of your hands. Helps using gloves so you don't have to grip the wheel so tightly and can focus on the feel coming through. On track the increased weight is no problem at all, although slower hairpins/tighter turns can require a fair bit of effort.
I didn't do mine through choice...I killed the old rack with an off-track excursion so thought f*** it, why not.
Knowing what I know now, I'd do it all again. Well worth it.
As said above, is quite a challenge when parking. Had to run my Cup as a daily for two weeks recently, harness and bucket seat were more of a pain in the a*se than the steering...but I found myself always looking for the easy parking spots LOL.
Feel as said is massively improved, feels like you have the front wheel tyre tread in the palms of your hands. Helps using gloves so you don't have to grip the wheel so tightly and can focus on the feel coming through. On track the increased weight is no problem at all, although slower hairpins/tighter turns can require a fair bit of effort.
I didn't do mine through choice...I killed the old rack with an off-track excursion so thought f*** it, why not.
Knowing what I know now, I'd do it all again. Well worth it.
2004 ph2 172
Would you Non-PAS guys recommend doing this for a car that's going to be 50-50 track/road? .... bearing in mind that the only 2 tracks near here are fairly short, sprinty and twisty ... :s
I love the idea of the simplicity, have arms like an orangutan, but I'm wary of making the car into something that I have to fight the car all the time...
For example... how does it compare to an old mini with a small steering wheel and huge-offset wheels? (we've all done that.. .right?)
I love the idea of the simplicity, have arms like an orangutan, but I'm wary of making the car into something that I have to fight the car all the time...
For example... how does it compare to an old mini with a small steering wheel and huge-offset wheels? (we've all done that.. .right?)
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
PHP:
[quote="ben_p, post: 7589698"]think running the wet rack dry is ok?[/QUOTE]You need to keep fluid in a power steering rack as that is what lubricates it. My track cup has no pas and i've retained the standard rack, just filled with fluid and linked 2 ports.
ITB'd MK1
My mk1 is exclusively a road car, and i find it to be a MASSIVE improvement since i removed the PAS. Parking isn't hard, just learn to drive without dead steering
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
Its a bit heavy when your trying to park up but nothing that serious, plus if you've got buckets your sat closer to the wheel usually so it takes less effort as your arms aren't stretched out. If that makes sense??
2004 ph2 172
ARGH... Fred and Danny not in agreement...
Have I broken the forum? :dapprove:
Aye Northloop: Makes perfic sense
Have I broken the forum? :dapprove:
Aye Northloop: Makes perfic sense
my track car doesn't have PAS (its knackering after 10laps) but my race car is having PAS!
plus the 1.2 16V/DCI rack isn't very strong, i ruined a NEW (not recon) NEW rack in 1 day at bedford - it simply wasn't designed to be on a track car with sticky tyres and heroic driving LOL
think about it, a 1.2/dci rack is for a shopping trolly clio
plus the 1.2 16V/DCI rack isn't very strong, i ruined a NEW (not recon) NEW rack in 1 day at bedford - it simply wasn't designed to be on a track car with sticky tyres and heroic driving LOL
think about it, a 1.2/dci rack is for a shopping trolly clio
2004 ph2 172
Cheers Fred... That's reason enough for me to keep it.
It's probably not legal for me to do it here in Sweden anyway. :banghead:
It's probably not legal for me to do it here in Sweden anyway. :banghead:
182cup & 172 racecar
We can switch ours on and off,don´t think either of us has ever switched it off yet to race,too much like hard work.
TrackCar & F30 330d
So at least the standard 172/182 rack should be stronger, so hopefully mine will stay alive with my pas removed
ITB'd MK1
MarkCup
ClioSport Club Member
It's not that bad...I'm a runt of a bloke and I can cope! As others have said though, if it were for a race I'd probably think again, but for road driving, or a 15 min session on track it is manageable.
172DD Cup
i removed my pas rack for a dci rack recently, and refitted the pas rack the following day. absolutely hated it. it felt quicker without the pas pump, picked up quicker and seem to rev more freely, but it was too much hard work to drive. it actually felt like driving a car that just had broken power steering.
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
Personally i prefer PAS, i'm not exactly Mr. Universe when it comes to the gun show, so PAS helps me deal with those oppo moments a little easier.
