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grr dam. thanks for the reply, looks like i am going shopping for ECU soon
e92 + E46 M3 + Cup
Sweet if you could get it to run smooth! ITB's would sure be alot cheaper if you didnt have to pay £1,200+ for another ECU
Good man!!
that's what i was thinking, making a housing for the 4 throttles that go into one big 80mm intake. That way you could run the senors off of 80mm intake..
Need a test car?! Ready to go here!
Adey.
ClioSport Club Member
is the stock ecu capable of running in an Alpha-N setup?
RSTuning
ClioSport Club Member
R35 GTR
Yes it should be.
RSTuning
ClioSport Club Member
R35 GTR
Or likewise is it really worth bodging a wiring loom to fit a cheap ECU that has nowhere near as much control and functions as the stock unit.
If you can use stock then it's always better
Or likewise is it really worth bodging a wiring loom to fit a cheap ECU that has nowhere near as much control and functions as the stock unit.
If you can use stock then it's always better
i know you dont like link ecu's :rasp:
Black Gold Trophy
What's an alpha N setup?
ITB'd MK1
TPS based for load rather than map sensor
Evo 5 RS
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?317888-Ph1-172-itb-d-on-std-ECU-page-13-on
Paul did map this as well. It ran, but Russ will be the first to admit it wasn't perfect. Still, it worked. Made over 190BHP iirc too.
Paul did map this as well. It ran, but Russ will be the first to admit it wasn't perfect. Still, it worked. Made over 190BHP iirc too.
You'll never get it working correctly, its using the wrong fueling algorythm, no one would ever select speed density instead of throttle angle when mapping a car on throttle bodies on an aftermarket ECU, and there is good reason for that.
If you want to keep the standard ECU then go for an RS2 instead of a set of bodies as an RS2 working properly will be nicer to own than a set of bodies which arent and still make similar power too.
If you want to keep the standard ECU then go for an RS2 instead of a set of bodies as an RS2 working properly will be nicer to own than a set of bodies which arent and still make similar power too.
Fully agree with Chip
A mate of mine in Lincoln had an RS2 on his trophy - stripped with cage same as my 172 cup
I'm running bodies
On a "private road" rolling 40mph start there wasn't much in it
I did over 90mph start to pull away but I certainly wouldn't be unhappy with 190bhp and an RS2
It runs perfectly fine on standard ECU so saves the costs of an Omex/DTA etc..
A mate of mine in Lincoln had an RS2 on his trophy - stripped with cage same as my 172 cup
I'm running bodies
On a "private road" rolling 40mph start there wasn't much in it
I did over 90mph start to pull away but I certainly wouldn't be unhappy with 190bhp and an RS2
It runs perfectly fine on standard ECU so saves the costs of an Omex/DTA etc..
Bodies do sound awesome yes - but realistically for a jenvey setup even 2nd hand with Omex you're looking at around £1600 - new that's more like £2k
By the time you've got it mapped and bought the ancillaries etc it's a £2.5k conversion
The RS2 was a carbon inlet manifold developed by Stone Automotive - it uses a jenvey manifold into a carbon plenum with your standard fly by wire throttle body
There's a few videos if you search youtube for Clio RS2 I think
I believe they were around £1500 and produce 190bhp (I get 198ish from ITB's)
They produce quite a nice noise - it's not as loud and in your face as bodies but it's still nice
There are rumours of them doing another batch of them as a group buy
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?676181-Stone-automotive&highlight=RS2 - post 16 on that thread
Hope that helps
By the time you've got it mapped and bought the ancillaries etc it's a £2.5k conversion
The RS2 was a carbon inlet manifold developed by Stone Automotive - it uses a jenvey manifold into a carbon plenum with your standard fly by wire throttle body
There's a few videos if you search youtube for Clio RS2 I think
I believe they were around £1500 and produce 190bhp (I get 198ish from ITB's)
They produce quite a nice noise - it's not as loud and in your face as bodies but it's still nice
There are rumours of them doing another batch of them as a group buy
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?676181-Stone-automotive&highlight=RS2 - post 16 on that thread
Hope that helps
106GTI / NovaC20LET
Just a shame jms went under, surprised someone hasn't reinvented something similar! There must be a pretty big market for it when you look at how everything else is priced! If you want cams your looking at about 1.2k+ including belt change and mapping. A decent exhaust will cost you 300 - 500, the list goes on really.
They are kind of back. At least James from JMS teamed up with Mike from MWM.
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?165-S-amp-MWM
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?165-S-amp-MWM
They didnt, they just split up, and James Stone kept the rights to the RS2 and carried on selling them under the Stone Automotive name, he just hasnt had a batch made recently so they arent currently available but there is going to be a group buy soon I believe.
I really like how ours drives with one (and also 197 cams which lose you a few lbft and gain you a few bhp, so make the engine very revvy) but obviously as per any other N/A tuning, dont expect it night and day different afterwards.
e92 + E46 M3 + Cup
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/show...-Buy-Details-Inside-***&p=9457016#post9457016
Full details will be released later today
What timing!!!
bumping this up because im so interested got some jenveys myself now own a cup, whats the most power gained running bodies on stock ecu... i read somewere puting the ph1 ecu on to run bodies is this any better, if its the case of making just 10bhp less running stock ecu then stand alone then id rather stick to standard,
also dont know if anyones done this but 2 years ago i owned a glanza i built running 380bhp im quite well known on the gtturbo forum, was running a greddy emanage so im kinda a bum licker of the emanage ecus lol so was thinking about maybe playing with these ecus again
also dont know if anyones done this but 2 years ago i owned a glanza i built running 380bhp im quite well known on the gtturbo forum, was running a greddy emanage so im kinda a bum licker of the emanage ecus lol so was thinking about maybe playing with these ecus again
172
don't even bother trying, just pick up a 2nd hand ECU and be done with it
Trophy Turbo :)
Complete waste of time even wanting to do this. The cost of mapping a stock ecu is expensive and I am sure others will agrew yiu cant with out a lot of time get it perfect. Bu the time you do you could have a aftermarket ecu
Myself and Russ purely did his ph1 as an engineering exercise. Just to show it could be done. It never ran PERFECTLY however, for the money it cost to do, I could put up with the slightly poor cold start etc.
also guys aint them rs2 like 1500 quid plus so really it would be cheaper to do your own jenvey set up as if your budgeting you could get jenveys up and running for under a grand maybe not with the most expensive ecu but ive seen a few ecus that will do the same as the omex so why spend more for a omex flow away guys tell me what you know need help to collect info lol
need help to collect info lolNo you couldn't - nowhere near
Cheapest set of 2nd hand Jenveys you will find is a grand on it's own. Then a really cheap ecu will be a few hundred on top and you'll need loom and mapping.
What's the point in doing it if you don't have the budget and want to bodge everything?
Flog the Jenveys, buy and RS2 - job done
Cheapest set of 2nd hand Jenveys you will find is a grand on it's own. Then a really cheap ecu will be a few hundred on top and you'll need loom and mapping.
What's the point in doing it if you don't have the budget and want to bodge everything?
Flog the Jenveys, buy and RS2 - job done
