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Time: 22:00 to 23:00 (1 hour long).
When: Sunday 13th June on BBC 2
Motoring magazine featuring news on the very latest cars, presented by Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond and James May. Jeremy reviews the Nissan Cube and Renault Clio 182, James tries out a modern take on a timeless classic - the Jaguar XJS, while Richard Hammond road tests the Cadillac CTS and investigates alternative ways of fuelling your car. Terry Wogan is this weeks Star in a Reasonably Priced Car.
(Widescreen, Subtitles)
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errrr the V6 was only 3 seconds behind that time and in the pouring rain (182 in the dry), in the dry it would be at least 5 -6 seconds quicker I reckon... 1m30 (or less)Quote: Originally posted by ukravo on 12 June 2004
1m33 apparently
beat the v6
Simon.
[Edited by shmall on 12 June 2004 at 4:27pm]
[Edited by shmall on 12 June 2004 at 4:29pm]
Quote: Originally posted by ukravo on 12 June 2004
they say take off 3 to 5 secs for the wet dont they.
still rekon a 182 would ave a go at a V6 round a track
I doubt the 182 would keep up with the V6 on a dry track.
the Mid engine RWD setup is best for handling in dry on track (just like F1)
looking forward to seeing the test on Top gear though
even if you take of the 5 seconds as you state that would mean the V6 would be at least 2 seconds in front, 2 seconds at 70mph = 205 feet infront every lap
Simon.
[Edited by shmall on 12 June 2004 at 5:03pm]
[Edited by shmall on 12 June 2004 at 5:05pm]
[Edited by shmall on 12 June 2004 at 5:08pm]
FN2 Type R +MK6 Golf
Evo did a group thrash of all current clios(issue 50)and the cup beat the v6 by 2.1 secs a lap.
This was the mk 1 v6 and seen as the mk2 v6 has been improved and the power increased then i think it would be a much closer race,although i wouldnt like to bet on the outcome of either car.
The cup posted 1.26.3(dry track)
The v6 posted 1.28.45(dry track)
As a comparison the new shape m3 posted the exact same time as the cup in the dry.Just shows you how quick the clios can be on a tight twisty surface....
Regards,ian
FN2 Type R +MK6 Golf
Top gear is the best motorshow on tv.Half of his comments are made in jest so as not to bore people to tears about cars,the rest of us who like cars see where hes coming from.Its just your opinion whether you like him or not but i dont see any other show touching it for fast cars and a bit of totty like denise van outen etc,etc.
Its not meant to be scientific,just good sunday night veiwing
ian
FN2 Type R +MK6 Golf
I too would love to see it on a fast track,but still dont think it would be light years ahead.To the same point i would love to see the cars on a very twisty section of track.The very normal looking 182 (as you put it) beat the evo 260 in a slalom test in this months evo,so how poor would your car look against that type of test??
There are many variables for compairing speed but i dont think you can take away the 13-14k price difference when comparing cups/182s and v6s on a track
The cup/182 is more than capable of upseting much bigger and faster cars on a track than a v6.As you will see tonight on top gear..MMUUUHHHHAAAAAAA
ian
[Edited by ian 172 on 13 June 2004 at 2:50pm]
Renault Laguna
here in America we love Top Gear, at least Jeremy talks about the good cars and the bad cars and I think hes a funny guy, as far as 5th Gear goes I like Vicki
and thats all, Tiff is an excellent driver but hes boring as a host...Top Gear > 5th Gear > any other motoring show, including Auto Motor und Sport from DW
For £15,000 the 182 is a fantastic package, as with the 172 and Cup before, okay it may not be built brilliantly and the plastics arent up BMW & Audi standards, BUT thats because all the money went on the engine, suspension and steering. Im more than happy to put up with the rattles when my car makes me smile as much as it does.....especially when it can catch-out people with more exotic and expensive machinery.
Looking forward to seeing it on Top Gear and will certainly be recording as well.
One aside.......bought Evo yesterday, 2004 Fast Club is an interesting read, Clio gets a good review...I was also surprised to learn that the tests had been conducted 2 up and with a full tank of fuel.
FN2 Type R +MK6 Golf
Very serious....As i also said evo posted the same time for the cup and M3 round bedford auto last yearQuote: Originally posted by Levo on 13 June 2004
Is this serious, cos thats Noble M12/Mercedes SL55 AMG speed.Quote: Originally posted by ukravo on 12 June 2004
1m33 apparently
beat the v6
ian
Astra VXR 17/05/07
Ever flicked a coin then said best of 3 only to still be behind ? Then after best of 3 say best of 5 because you are still behind ? So on and so on until you win then claim to be the winner ?
Thats what some of the comments are like on this thread....Ah but it was wet.....yeah but that was not on a fast track,love to see it on a fast track.
We could go on all day...
As an owner i can say from experience from comments and reactions from people i have never met and out on the roads that the 182 is anything but a normal looking Clio,unless im mistaken and people react to every Clio they see like that !
V6 owners love their cars for what they are,as do 182 owners.I can safely say if i was spending V6 money i would never buy one,if V6 owners were soending 182 money could they say the same,i doubt it.I would be suprised if V6 owners would rather a Cooper S standard etc than a 182.
Is anyone planning on capturing the 182 part of tonights Top Gear and making it available for download later? might be an idea if some one knows how to do this........
Astra VXR 17/05/07
Im recording it on my video,im not clever enough to be putting it on here
http://www.x-plane.org/users/shmall719/Turbo_Tracks/Avatars/clio182.jpgbtw when I say the 182 looks like a normal clio I mean just that, no road pressence at all, nobody looks and thinks WOW, its a fast but boring looking car compared to the V6 255, which is an awesome looking and fast car
I can understand that if you dont have the money then a 182 is a good buy, but not for me....
http://www.x-plane.org/users/shmall719/Turbo_Tracks/Avatars/clio255.jpgsimon.
[Edited by shmall on 13 June 2004 at 9:08pm]
[Edited by shmall on 13 June 2004 at 9:11pm]
E55, KitCar & '85 Quattro
wottt? the 182/172/cups do have road presence. it makes it worse wen i look at them in my rear view on my clio coz the mirror tends to make everything look wider, and therefor more menacing!
ok, their not as awesome as v6s, but wen i see that deep cut below the headlights i know its my time to pull in and let the guy*past!!
*or gal, as there are many female 172 owners
FN2 Type R +MK6 Golf
TVRs are gorgeous pieces of british design,you must of sat in an old one because the ones at the motorshow were stunning.Along with noble they are the best of british and there is nothing this side of 100k to touch them on performance
The cerbera can be had for 16k and break 9 seconds to 100mph
The tuscan can be had for 25k and has the same performance.
How can you talk about build quality and own a renault.
The T350 hammers an evo 8 and any subaru on a track.
Now whats horrible about that?????
And lets have a better reply than clio 172 etc doing 10 secs -60mph
ian