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trophy prices 1 year on
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what do think they will be fetching in a years time?
with only 500 being made i thought they might prices might stay a bit stronger.or do you think more will be made?
What? Like the Williams....
Elise/VX220/R26
trophys wont depreciate any more or less than a 182 or 172 before that I would have thought. As sh33n says expect a big hit when the new RS comes out but as with any sporty model depreciation is gonna be a fact of life. Somehow I dont think trophy owners will be thinking of depreciation though and nor should they. IF I was thinking of buying one I wouldnt let it bother me.
The Trophy isnt a mainstream model, its too harsh as a main stream road car. The new RS model will be more comfortable and user friendly, helping more track focused models like the 172 Cup and the Trophy hold a little more value.
Theyll still lose a lot, just not as much as the rest of the range I reckon.
Whatever happens will happen. If I was worried about depreciation Id not buy a car at all. lol
Its hard, far harder than any other car Ive owned. Its hard to explain, but theres no getting away from the fact that you feel every bump, its just that all the time the car is totally composed and in contact with the tarmac which is why its so effective.
Does that make sense?
You need to try one Roy. I took Has out in mine and his 1.2 is lowered and even he commented on the ride.
Quote: Originally posted by jonnyboy on 01 August 2005maybe saying its not a mainstream car is a tad stretching it, its still a clio. Anon mainstream car I would class as something like a kit car or something set up specifically for track use
Hmmm I dont know mate. I wouldnt even call the Cup a mainstream car really - few people know what it is, or know how rapidly it can swallow vast acres of winding tarmac. Id be willing to go up against anything twice as powerful over a twisty, bumpy winding B. Autocar said as much a few months back.
On a first few drives you wouldnt even know youself just how stupidly fast it can cover ground, at any price. The RS Clios arent mainstream cars at all IMO, as they dont belong to the 200bhp pub talk club.
The springs are different, they are tiny little yellow things! I noticed the rear dampers are also Sachs at the weekend too.
I know what you mean Jonnyboy, but its hard to think of another way of putting it, but with only 500 its not a normal model.
Look at it this way, most normal people would go into a Renault dealer and see the Cup and 172 and think the 172 is the better model because of the comfort, climate, xenons etc, because thats what most people want. Enthusiasts like us sados would think differently. The same goes for the Trophy. A lot of people would go out in it and think it too hard, crap rear seats, no climate or xenons and would rather something a little more comfortable. Neither cars sold in numbers large enough to allow them to be a model in there own right, they are just a variant which has had its emphasis shifted more towards handling.
Thats how I see it anyway.
As someone who had a 172 then later found out what the Cup was really about I think I have a good perspective on that. I bought a 172 because of the toys etc....after learning about the Cup on here I regretted it. lol
Elise/VX220/R26
oh come on they arent that bloody wild! lol an m3 murders any clio but thats about as mainstream as you can get! The sheer number of RS clios on the road tells you they are mainstream. They are just a normal perforamcne car. Comparatively speaking the Williams and 205 GTI were probably wilder than the RS clios. Every major manufacturer does a hot version of most models these days. The RS clios are just part of a whole hot hatch revival.
I would say my meg 225 was mainstram but more people would know what an RS clio is than a meg 225. Most people prolly think my car is a chavved up 1.6. The big 2.0l turbos are the new sort of cutting edge of the hot hatch market but I would say all of them even the focus RS are still mainstream cars. TVR is where mainstream stops IMO
Your Megane doesnt keep company with an M6 though, and as good as the Megane Trophy and Cup are they arent getting rave reviews, just good ones. The fact they even saw fit to put a £15.5k shopping trolly against an M6 is unbelievable, but thats how much they think of the Trophy.
I saw some more of the coming magazine comments about the Trophy today. The press have far from done praising it and declaring it THE hot hatch.
Elise/VX220/R26
Im not talking performance that topic has been done to death on this website we know the trophy is fast, but on twisties what hot hatch wouldnt keep up with an m3 these days? Things have moved on at our end of the market. A corrola T sport would probably keep up with an m3 in the twisties. EVO might have hoighlighted the fact this moth but really these days is it that big a deal that your 15k hatch keeps up with an m3 on b roads? I would say that was a benchmark of a hot hatchback, not something that marks RS clios out in particular.
Quote: Originally posted by Roy Munson on 01 August 2005
^^but how would a £40k M3 do against a £15k Trophy on an enjoyable and very twisty B? Id wager the BMW driver would wonder if the image of the Trophy was glued to his mirror. Or a Cup for that matter TBH.
im sorry but i think an m3 would murder a clio
^^To me, the point of a hot hatch is affordable fun. Fun comes in leathering a car around the lanes, not dragging the latest 220+ UberHatch on the A1. The WHOLE point of as supreme handling hot hatch is that it can keep pace with cars of double the power and pedigree when the road gets gets twisty. Thats why you read so many comments about the twisties
Quote: Originally posted by dave182 on 01 August 2005
Quote: Originally posted by Roy Munson on 01 August 2005^^but how would a £40k M3 do against a £15k Trophy on an enjoyable and very twisty B? Id wager the BMW driver would wonder if the image of the Trophy was glued to his mirror. Or a Cup for that matter TBH.
im sorry but i think an m3 would murder a clio
Only if you were driving.
Quote: Originally posted by dave182 on 01 August 2005
Quote: Originally posted by Roy Munson on 01 August 2005^^but how would a £40k M3 do against a £15k Trophy on an enjoyable and very twisty B? Id wager the BMW driver would wonder if the image of the Trophy was glued to his mirror. Or a Cup for that matter TBH.
im sorry but i think an m3 would murder a clio
ON a tight, bumpy, twisty B-road? Not in my expereince
the thing is most m3 drivers cant drive, if you get one that can drive you make the m3 sound like its some crap handling american big engined saloon when it is pretty damn impressive which a massice engine, masses of torque and bhp and pretty damn good handling, have you not seen the M3 csl going around the ring (which is probably the model to compare with the trophy), it would eat a trophy or megane whatever for breakfast.
Elise/VX220/R26
Quote: Originally posted by Lee on 01 August 2005Your Megane doesnt keep company with an M6 though, and as good as the Megane Trophy and Cup are they arent getting rave reviews, just good ones. The fact they even saw fit to put a £15.5k shopping trolly against an M6 is unbelievable, but thats how much they think of the Trophy.
I saw some more of the coming magazine comments about the Trophy today. The press have far from done praising it and declaring it THE hot hatch.
bolloks, sorry but the differences that EVO comment on on their testing is minute and in the real world me you and an m6 on some twisties would be inseperable. Yes we know the trophy is the darling of the motoring press right now and rightly so, its a model in its final phase, it should be as close to perfection as possible given all the previous revisions its had.
The megane hasnt been designed to get a good EVO review. It does exactly what renault set out to do which is bridge the gap between a hot hatch and a premium hatch
It comes back to my original point. The benchmark of a good hatch these days is that it will keep up with an m6 or m3 in the twisties. EVO used the trophy as the example this time but to be honest I rekon anythin on a par and above a 206 GTI 180 would do the job too.
Quote: Originally posted by Lee on 01 August 2005
Quote: Originally posted by dave182 on 01 August 2005Quote: Originally posted by Roy Munson on 01 August 2005^^but how would a £40k M3 do against a £15k Trophy on an enjoyable and very twisty B? Id wager the BMW driver would wonder if the image of the Trophy was glued to his mirror. Or a Cup for that matter TBH.
im sorry but i think an m3 would murder a clio
Only if you were driving.
watch it you, at least i managed to stay on the track at oulton, car better than your talent Mr Mathers?
The Megane doesnt do what Renault set out to do, Ive read the engineers werent happy with the warm reception it got and they wanted it be seen more like the 182 only in the next class up. Hence the Cup and Trophy versions and suspension back being available for the 225.
The Trophy on the other hand achieved exactly what they set out to achieve.
I love the Meggy225. I have not driven any version but would like a Cup or Trophy, or at least a test drive in them. However, it seems that it will not be as much fun as the 182Cup, or be appreciably faster in a straight line. It will be a much bigger an comfier car with better in-gear times, but Im now unsure if I want to own one as I dont think it will currently offer me more than my 182Cup does in grin factor.
Elise/VX220/R26
yes but the trophy is at the end of the model phase so what else would it have done? The clios gone out with a bang like the golf with the R32.
The megane does set out what renault set out to do. They wanted to brigdge the gap between a hot hatch and a premium hatch. I own one and this is EXACTLY what it does and exactly what I was looking for in a car. What it didnt do was impress Auto Express and EVO. Thats undoubtedly had an effect on sales so they have gone for making it more driver focussed. Its a lesson they have learned sure, but the 225 did what it said on the tin, its just thats not what the press wanted an that in turn hurt sales, and renault are in the business of selling cars so it had to change
I disagree with you Jonny on principle, because I feel the RS goal should always be to produce cars that the motoring press hail as works of art in the driver focus department.
However, I cant wholy disagree with you on your views of the meg because I havent driven, much less owned one. I can totally imagine its a great car to live with.
Quote: Originally posted by RS-Steve on 01 August 2005
i often wonder how many of these super duper bestest of the best hotest of the hottest hatch owners have ever driven the cars they talk about been so much better than!! Just a thought!
I hope youre not meaning me Steve? Sorry if I come over that way, but I am usually very careful to remain inpartial. When I do state my serious views on cars Im careful to point out whether they are based on experience behind the wheel, or experience on the coffee table.
Elise/VX220/R26
Quote: Originally posted by Roy Munson on 01 August 2005^^which should always have been the goal of the car?
Says who? I wanted a bit of refinement for my next car what with being a grown up and all
IMO the trophy and especially the cup may have actually comprimised the megane. Equipment levels on the Cup are not good enough for an 18 grand car. Another version with full leather, xenons and Climate as standard would probably have me upgrading rather than a trophy with all the toys took outThere comes a time in life when a hot hatch, no matter how hot just isnt right. This is where the megane should come in. loads of people have made the transition from 172/182 in EVO land that might be a crime but in the real world its a natural progression
