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UCH Clicking Relay - flashing lights - juddering wipers- juddering window - solved



  Audi (R)S2, 1.6 16v
When I got the 1.6 16v and went to pick it up, there was an odd issue with the UCH relays clicking away and the lights flashing, windows juddering, wipers juddering (electrically) etc. After some research, I decided on balance to buy the car anyway but got a suitable discount to cover a secondhand UCH / ECU setup.

When I got the car home, I started to look in to the issue and do some investigation, as the fact that it affected the complete UCH range of operation indicated to me that it may be an intermittent power or earthing issue.

After some investigation, I found that if I pushed one of the plugs on the ratcheted connector in a certain direction, the problem went away, push it the other way, it came back... most odd. After pulling some pins out of the plug and finding nothing and inspecting the male plug pins, again nothing, I decided to clean the plugs... covered them in cleaning solution, mated and un-mated the plugs a few times and then left it to dry before putting it all back together.

Anyway, no more issues! I must conclude that there was some dirt or corrosion on the plug or pins and that this has been the cause of the issue. Looking through the history of the car, there's a receipt for £150 for the same investigation work some 2 years ago. Seems that in the 3 hours' work, they never thought to just clean it.

I've included a picture of the offending plug - it was the brown part (there's a brown and green part to the plug) and a picture of the UCH board from another thread - ignore the annotation - (it was the connector on the top right)
 

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  DON'T SEND ME PM'S!!
Re: UCH Clicking Relay - flashing lights - juddering wipers- juddering window - solv

Seen it before. Usually the plug casing is worn so isn't a tight fit and cinnections move about
 
  Audi (R)S2, 1.6 16v
Re: UCH Clicking Relay - flashing lights - juddering wipers- juddering window - solv

When I took the pins out, the retaining clips did look to have been flattened, so I opened them out a bit but other than that, everything looked along the right lines...

All free things to look at, so hope this helps someone :)
 
  Audi (R)S2, 1.6 16v
Re: UCH Clicking Relay - flashing lights - juddering wipers- juddering window - solv

Well the honeymoon lasted a week. Problem is back, same cause but seems to be less items affected. Will do some more investigation and see what's going on. Might be that the loose connection is on an earth connection, which can be rectified easily enough.
 
  2003 Clio dci 80
Re: UCH Clicking Relay - flashing lights - juddering wipers- juddering window - solv

I've got exactly the same problem as you. I've been posting about it off an on for about a year, and still not got to the bottom of it. I'm not convinced enough that it's the UCH to go and spend several hundred quid on a new one - my gut feeling is that it's a bad earth somewhere. Anyway, I'll start a new thread here about my prob, and keep an eye on this thread too. Good luck!!
 
  Audi (R)S2, 1.6 16v
Re: UCH Clicking Relay - flashing lights - juddering wipers- juddering window - solv

If wiggling the plug solves it, it's very unlikely to be the UCH unit.

I've done a shed load of investigation today into what's what on the board and connectors, so will add that when I get time.

I think it's oxidation on the connector causing an intermittent connection.
 
  172 Cup, 205 GTI
Re: UCH Clicking Relay - flashing lights - juddering wipers- juddering window - solv

I have this exact same problem, sometimes the UCH clicks lik crazy and sometimes just every now and again. Doesnt seem to follow logic! I will park the car up after it has been going wild, and it will be perfect the next day!

I have had the connector apart and inspected the pins and found nothing, inspected the circuit board and found nothing. I'm at a loss, I have only had the car 6 weeks and it doing my nut in. Again, if I move the multi connector I can make it stop. Confused.

Interested to know what you found out.
 
  Audi (R)S2, 1.6 16v
Re: UCH Clicking Relay - flashing lights - juddering wipers- juddering window - solv

It is indeed random and annoying. Random isn't good for problem solving...

I'm going to pull the contacts out of the plugs and check them individually and plug them all in without the casing (providing they don't short). I'm also going to try the UCH on another car to identify whether it works properly or not.
I've been working out what connects to what and what the relays on the board do.

As the problem affects multiple functions, I'd have to guess that it's a power or an earthing issue but assumptions are the mother of all f'ups... Investigation continues.

Odd that cleaning it all up worked, I will get some oxidation remover and try that too, as it's an issue on some of the Audi components, especially the airflow meter.
 
  2003 Clio dci 80
Re: UCH Clicking Relay - flashing lights - juddering wipers- juddering window - solv

I'm also going to try the UCH on another car to identify whether it works properly or not.
You know the UCH is coded to the car, so it won't start with the wrong UCH in, yes? I bought a spare UCH for mine cos there's a guy near me who'll desolder the immobiliser chip and put it on another board for £50, but like I said, I'm not convinced the UCH is at fault on mine, so don't want to risk it yet in case it goes wrong!!
 
  Audi (R)S2, 1.6 16v
Re: UCH Clicking Relay - flashing lights - juddering wipers- juddering window - solv

Hi, yes I am aware that it's coded but cheers for the heads up. I'm hoping that I can test the electrical functions with the ignition on, as the lights, window, wipers etc. are the issue.

The UCH controls all the fancy stuff like auto wipers and lights, so it's entirely plausible to bypass various functions on it but it's not a simple job.

There must be a timer chip in there and given the nature of the issue, I'd wager that the feed to this chip could be a good place to start... unfortunately, in this instance, I studied the wrong kind of Engineering...
 
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  Audi (R)S2, 1.6 16v
Re: UCH Clicking Relay - flashing lights - juddering wipers- juddering window - solv

So after a fairly rubbish attemp to sort this out (as in it didn't work), I soaked the plug in contact cleaner again and no issues today whatsoever. Most odd...

With my theory that's it's a power or earth, I'm going to look in to the earthing arrangements, so any help gratefully received there. I'm considering adding a new earth direct from the PCB. Power wise, the same could be done, although I need to get more of an idea what fuses feed the UCH control circuits and which ones are just switched by the relays.
 
  Audi (R)S2, 1.6 16v
Re: UCH Clicking Relay - flashing lights - juddering wipers- juddering window - solv

Did some testing on the cleaner I've been using and far from it evaporating straight away, it seems to stay around for quite some time. This explains why this has worked as a temporary fix - it's staying liquid and stopping the poor connection one way or another. I'm going to try some dry graphite lube on the pins and see how that goes, as it is electrically conductive and much safer than risking breaking a retaining tab on a pin..
 
  Audi (R)S2, 1.6 16v
Re: UCH Clicking Relay - flashing lights - juddering wipers- juddering window - solv

So, I did some more research in to the UCH functions. I need to do some more research, ideally with a spare wiring loom but for now, here's my findings:-

UCH PCB.jpg

Looking down at the plug on the board:-

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Looking down at the plugs on the board:-

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Re: UCH Clicking Relay - flashing lights - juddering wipers- juddering window - solv

When I use my windows something clicks, like when the windows are up if I pull the switch up something will click every time I do it. Is this likely to be the uch?
 
  Audi (R)S2, 1.6 16v
Re: UCH Clicking Relay - flashing lights - juddering wipers- juddering window - solv

Assuming everything is working correctly, the relay should click. If not then maybe a bit more explanation of the issue?
 
Re: UCH Clicking Relay - flashing lights - juddering wipers- juddering window - solv

Everything works to my knowledge, so it must be the relay. Noisy fucker.
 
  Audi (R)S2, 1.6 16v
Re: UCH Clicking Relay - flashing lights - juddering wipers- juddering window - solv

Update on this. After reading a lot of posts on here about UCH faults, problems with the decoupling capacitors came to my attention. The location of these and the way the fault presented itself all seemed to tie in, so I desoldered the 40 way connector and decided to sacrifice my faulty board by removing the caps from the board in the problem area (brow plug - pins 1-20). Anyway, it would appear that doing this has soled the issue. This points to these as the faulty components that were causing the chattering relays. Odd how wiggling and cleaning the connector solved the problem initially but then we are dealing with French electrics here...
 
  Audi (R)S2, 1.6 16v
Re: UCH Clicking Relay - flashing lights - juddering wipers- juddering window - solv

Here's a picture of what's underneath the black 4 pin connector. The components around the periphery are the decoupling caps. They are connected to the pins on the connector on one side of the capacitor and ground on the other. In my case, the caps at the lower edge of the connector / board were the problem area. One or more of these was defective.
 

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  Renault Clio 2003
Re: UCH Clicking Relay - flashing lights - juddering wipers- juddering window - solv

Hey andy_casey, after spending hours looking through posts about UCH problems I've got to say that this thread has been the most helpful and informative I have seen!

I myself have been plagued with UCH problems for a while, my indicators, electric windows and central locking randomly stop working on me and there's the characteristic chattering from underneath the glovebox. Wiggling the wires and in particular the lever socket connection seems to randomly fix the issue as well.

When I get the chance I'm going to attempt to take a look at the decoupling caps and hopefully that fixes my issue. Thank you for keeping this thread up to date!

Edit: Just a quick question, what were the values of the decoupling caps?
 
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  2003 Clio dci 80
Re: UCH Clicking Relay - flashing lights - juddering wipers- juddering window - solv

My problem is back too, after going away for several months again. My gut feeling about it being an earth problem may have been right though, as on the MOT last week, the MOT tester found that the bolt securing the engine earth strap to the chassis was boiling hot. A bit of a wiggle to see what was going on must not have helped, as when I got it home, the hazards started going, and would not go off, whatever I tried, so had to disconnect the battery :(

My plan is now to add an additional engine earth and see if that helps, and if not, to try the decoupling caps. I'm glad for today's update on the thread as I hadn't noticed andy's updates before.
 
  Renault Clio 2003
Re: UCH Clicking Relay - flashing lights - juddering wipers- juddering window - solv

So I finally managed to get the connector off, and discovered that a couple of caps were actually loose (I picked them off the board with a pair of tweezers) so I reflowed them onto the board and put the connector back on. Everything has been working fine! Except...

Now the central locking is going crazy and continually locks and unlocks itself while I drive! After a couple of minutes the car starts to beep at me as well :\ Anyone had anything like that happen?
 
  1.2 16V Dynamique
Evening guys and girls,

I am having the same problem with my UCH, but due to being not that electronically minded, I may need some help when you were referring to the couplings and the connector. Would you advise getting a replacement UCH and then solder the connector from that onto where the existing one sits? I will obviously try and clean it first :)
 
  Renault Clio 2003
I also encountered the UCH problems. The car was a 2003 Renault Clio with a UCH-N3.

Intermittently the following faults were appearing: knocking relays, wipers not working, lights not working, windows not working, central locking not working, instrument cluster backlight not working, etc.. It was obvious, that it had something to do with the whole of the UCH unit not receiving power at various points in time.

The features my UCH fault presented:
1. When you first started the car, the car was intermittently in disco mode (all electricals going on and off approximately two times a second). For some seconds everything is working fine and then for some seconds the disco mode and then again back to working. This would keep on happening for a good few minutes. After some time all the faults always stopped appearing. Evidently it thus had something to do with a component on the UCH warming up and starting to work properly.
2. Tugging/pulling/twisting on the 40-pin black connector had an apparent effect on the fault. When pulling to a certain direction, the fault goes on, twisting to the other direction the fault goes away.
3. Hitting/tapping the UCH housing/case/plastic container with mild force would also randomly turn on/off the fault.

At first I was sure that the 40-pin connector was the culprit. Must be a bad contact. I removed the whole connector and substituted it with some new wire, which I soldered straight into the PCB (printed circuit board). To my surprise, this had absolutely no effect to the fault. So clearly it wasn't the 40-pin connector at all, that was causing the problems. At this point, grabbing the freshly installed set of wires and pulling/jerking/twisting them had the exact same effect as previously: fault goes on/off depending on how you twist them. What the heck? So it must be something related to the fiber glass of the PCB itself bending way or another.

At first I wanted to believe that the people on the internet know what they are talking. As in some thread there was this guy "bil_liser" saying, that ALL the UCH problems are caused by the decoupling capacitors. So I went and changed all the UCH capacitors around the 40-pin connector (although not all of them are capacitors, as you will see in the attached pictures in the end).

So, I had changed all the decoupling caps to fresh ones. Still, no effect. The fault remains exactly the same.

I did some more research on this topic online and read that BBA-Reman does a "full-rebuild" when the symptoms match what I was encountering. I don't know what a full-rebuild is but I started with trying to find out if there were replacements available for the main microprocessor. I didn't find even a datasheet for these poor buggers. So I concluded that BBA-Reman probably is not changing those either. Also, from my experience, ICs do not fail that often at all. Okay, so replacing the ICs was discarded as a solution. So what might a full-rebuild for 100 pounds be in reality? Maybe a reflow of the board in a reflow oven/gaseous phase oven. That would although require the removal of the through-hole mounted components, i.e., the 7 plastic relays on the PCB as they would melt at such extreme temperatures.

As I didn't want to detach the relays, next on the list was a re-solder of the board using a soldering iron, some flux and some new solder. The area of interest would logically be in the vicinity of the problem causing 40-pin connector. As the symptoms described in the beginning of this post (points 1...3) matched perfectly to a dry solder joint, off I went.

Before heating up the soldering iron, I used a DMM (digital multi meter) to measure some resistors. Didn't find any with a short-circuit. Then some capacitors. They also had enough resistance, no short-circuits here either. Then onto the diodes. Using a DMM in the diode mode I measured the diodes. One of the diodes seemed to give very intermittent readings. At first I wasn't getting any reading, then when I just held the measurement leads in place for a second or two the DMM would display the breakover voltage for a very short amount of time and then it again said that I am measuring an open circuit, although, I was measuring a diode. Aha! There must be something wrong with the solder joint(s) of this diode. Maybe the power to the microprocessor goes through this diode? That would explain why I was losing all the UCH related functionality whenever the fault was on.

I re-soldered all the components inside the yellow box, shown on the attached picture. Special care was given to the diode which was giving out intermittent readings. The intermittent diode is marked with a red outline in the picture. And what do u know, the UCH has been working like it came out the factory the very day.

I must give a word of warning to anyone trying to remove the black 40-pin connector from the PCB. Without using a hot-air soldering station or a suction-pump soldering station, the job was not the easiest one. First, I tried to remove the connector using solder wick. I put four hours into this and no luck. It just wasn't coming out. The next trick was to flood the pins with solder. I put a very liberate amount of solder on the pins such that I had two long rows of solder on the board covering all the 40 pins. Then I used 4 soldering irons simultaneously and gave it some good heat. Having some locking pliers/vise grips already in place around the 40-pin connector, I yanked it out when the solder turned liquid. Yay, I got the connector out without breaking the PCB. But boohoo, the connector was now a melted piece of plastic. So, I had to order a new connector from Mouser.

I am attaching some pictures, maybe these will help someone in the future when encountering similar UCH faults.

First, a picture of the temporary wiring loom I had used to figure out if the 40-pin connector was causing the UCH problems:

this_wiring_aint_doing_it.jpg


Next, the overall look of the board after I had re-attached the 40-pin connector. It can be noticed that the connector is sitting a little higher then originally as I inserted an "adapter block" between the connector and the PCB, might I ever need to detach it again in order to reach the SMD capacitors and such beneath it.
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Next, is the picture taken by andy_casey and edited by me to include my measurement data. I had to measure all the capacitors to find out their values. Also, note the red frame pinpointing the location of the intermittent diode I was talking about, above in the text.

decoupling_capacitors_original_values.jpg


And the looks of the PCB, after all the capacitors and MOVs were replaced with new ones:

decoupling_capacitors_new_ones.jpg

Also, I had to redo the wiring loom at the car's end because, as you might recall, I had removed the original connector as the very first step of this troubleshooting process:

had_to_rebuild_the_connector.jpg

No BBA-Reman for me. And more importantly, no new UCH from Renault dealer, price estimation (as installed onto the car) was from 750 to 850 euros. And from an independent car electrics specialist I got an offer of 620 euros. Yikes!

Overall, it took me nearly two months to get this baby back on track with all the time included waiting for parts from overseas.
But oh boy, what a personal victory it was when it finally started working again.
 
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Bluebeard

ClioSport Moderator
  Whichever has fuel
I just bought another (used) UCH for £20 and paid auto electrician £40 to remove the immobiliser/coded part and swap over. Took about an hour all in.

Well done for tackling it yourself though.
 
  Clio II 16v
Special care was given to the diode which was giving out intermittent readings. The intermittent diode is marked with a red outline in the picture.
I’d say that those "diodes" are actually capacitors. They can be easily mistaken.
 
  Clio II 16v
Sorry for my previous message. They’re really diodes.
I resoldered all components indicated by Rone and no problems anymore. I didn’t replace anything, just resolder. However, I have experience in electronics repairs and when there’s a broken solder I’m able to see it. In this case, I looked very thoroughly all solders under magnifying glass and I couldn’t notice any crack. I removed the connector with vacuum sucker (desoldering station) in order to resolder all components underneath.
I’m sure that less resoldering would be enough, just a few components really require resoldering, but I’m unable to determine which ones exactly.
 


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