unsecured wireless networks

[dg06fse]

i am currently working, playing with my laptop in the van waiting for jobs to come in, when my network connections box came up and said i had automatically connected to a belkin router!!

on investigation a did a search for available network connections, i found bloody loads, mainly bt homehub, netgear and belkin, all the netgear and belkin are not security enabled.

is this quite common?

i take it it could be illegal to sit within range of a router and connect to it??


free internet for me this afternoon yippeeee

 

[BatFastard]

Its illegal.... but nobody will find out. Also you deserve to have your net robbed if it hasnt got security

 

[Revels]

and the bt homehub's password set by default is admin, well next doors is anyway!

 

[TheKing]

Yeh loads of people have unsecure networks silly t***s people can download anything off it oh and yes it is illegal to use someone's network without permission

 

[dg06fse]

i suppose i could say i connected through my mobile phone?

 

[BatFastard]

i suppose i could say i connected through my mobile phone?

You wont get caught its practically impossible for them to prove ti. Its also safe to assume if they cant set up security, they cant access the logs of another computer using the net.

 

[dg06fse]

cool he he he

 

[Adam]

and the bt homehub's password set by default is admin, well next doors is anyway!

haha love it.

well if you are stupid enough not to know that your internet is wireless and other people can use it without it being secure then it is justice

The first thing i did when i got my wireless router was to completely disable the wireless feature as I dont need it.

 

[philmots]

I've got the choice of 2

 

[JonnyK]

surely it isnt illegal though? as they are a public network.. therefore anyone can use them?

 

[FiDoDiDo]

surely it isnt illegal though? as they are a public network.. therefore anyone can use them?

Your not authorised to use it which makes it illegal though.

 

[ViolentJ]

surely it isnt illegal though? as they are a public network.. therefore anyone can use them?

That's like someone leaving their car running outside their house whilst they pop in to get something - you wouldn't jump in their car and take it for a spin would you?

 

[Floodie]

am i right in thinking that he couldnt access the families PCs tho could he? Just access the internet?

 

[DrR]

surely it isnt illegal though? as they are a public network.. therefore anyone can use them?

That's like someone leaving their car running outside their house whilst they pop in to get something - you wouldn't jump in their car and take it for a spin would you?

Pretty sure thats technically not ilegal if you bring it back

 

[Final Maxim]

lol

 

[Final Maxim]

excuse me, can i have my 15 minutes of 2mb bandwidth back please

 

[Adam]

am i right in thinking that he couldnt access the families PCs tho could he? Just access the internet?

if they had file share on and things like that then it is possible

 

[Ross M]

guy was in the news recently after he got sent to jail for stealing someones internet so yes it is illegal.
he was arrested in his car sitting outside someones house using his laptop. lol

 

[Adam]

lol

 

[Final Maxim]

he was sent to jail for using someones internet?

sheesh, link me as i find that hard to believe unless it was an ongoing thing after hed been warned many many times?

 

[Adam]

depending on router brand and if you know how to use it you can see what devices are connected to it, but to be honest if people know about things like that then they should know how to secure it

 

[dg06fse]

guy was in the news recently after he got sent to jail for stealing someones internet so yes it is illegal.
he was arrested in his car sitting outside someones house using his laptop. lol

how can you tell someone is using your network

 

[FiDoDiDo]

guy was in the news recently after he got sent to jail for stealing someones internet so yes it is illegal.
he was arrested in his car sitting outside someones house using his laptop. lol

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hereford/worcs/6565079.stm

 

[Ross M]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hereford/worcs/6565079.stm

not the one im talking about but 2 people arrested and cautioned in this link

 

[Final Maxim]

cautioned.

can get a caution for walking your doggy.

 

[FiDoDiDo]

guy was in the news recently after he got sent to jail for stealing someones internet so yes it is illegal.
he was arrested in his car sitting outside someones house using his laptop. lol

how can you tell someone is using your network

It shows in the router, when you log into it for a start.

 

[Ross M]

cautioned.

can get a caution for walking your doggy.

and for pulling your plonker ...

 

[Mark J]

and the bt homehub's password set by default is admin, well next doors is anyway!

lol, we have used the admin password trick. took the xbox 360 to my mates house, and using the wireless network adapter, played on xbox live for the evening.

 

[Adams_16v]

I once had the sat nav running on my laptop in the car. i was running a WiFi scanner utility in teh background the whole journey. (Around 40 mile round trip)

Picked up over 200 WiFi connections and 95 of them were completely unsecure!

 

[Final Maxim]

my moms wireless network is unsecure, but i have no idea whatsoever how to secure it.

i mean i know how to secure wireless networks, ive done quite a few now, but this one, it has no ssid, it has no wpa key, nothing on the bottom of the router.

dont spose anyonw knows how to secure it or set up a ssid and network key?

shes got belkin wireless and on blueyonder

 

[TeZ]

should have the ssid etc etc somewhere on the software surely?

 

[Final Maxim]

usually on a sticker on bottom of router aint it? but theres nothin there just serials for the actual router

 

[Adams_16v]

SSID can be set by yourself so its in the software side of it somewhere!

if its a router try entering 192.168.0.1 into a web browser. usually you can get into the software settings this way. ive not had a belkin before so not sure if its same on those!

Either that or how was the router configured in the first place?

 

[TeZ]

As Adam said you can set it yourself.

 

[Final Maxim]

SSID can be set by yourself so its in the software side of it somewhere!

if its a router try entering 192.168.0.1 into a web browser. usually you can get into the software settings this way. ive not had a belkin before so not sure if its same on those!

Either that or how was the router configured in the first place?

i think blueyonder came out and configered it as the router is coming through the wall and upstairs, but the pc is downstairs now and were stuck with a router upstairs and having to have wireless for it downstairs.


im tryin to get her to let me rip it all out or just extend it with a cat5 (?) ethernet cable.

i'll try enter ip in address bar and see what it says.

but do i just enter my own wpa key for it? or will it be a master key that they all use?

 

[JoelDee]

try either...

192.168.0.1
192.168.1.1
192.168.1.2
192.168.11.1

 

[Mells]

On secured wans do I need the WEP key to get to the router login screen?

i.e. 192.168.0.1

I have about 5 wireless networks in my apartment block. Ours is locked down tighter than a nun, but I was trying to connect to some others but it never gains a IP addy without the WEP key.

 

[JoelDee]

SSID can be set by yourself so its in the software side of it somewhere!

if its a router try entering 192.168.0.1 into a web browser. usually you can get into the software settings this way. ive not had a belkin before so not sure if its same on those!

Either that or how was the router configured in the first place?

i think blueyonder came out and configered it as the router is coming through the wall and upstairs, but the pc is downstairs now and were stuck with a router upstairs and having to have wireless for it downstairs.


im tryin to get her to let me rip it all out or just extend it with a cat5 (?) ethernet cable.

i'll try enter ip in address bar and see what it says.

but do i just enter my own wpa key for it? or will it be a master key that they all use?

You can set it to whatever you want?

Whats the model of the belkin router? If you go on the belkin website you should be able to download the user guide for the specific router your mum has, then it will tell you the IP address of it and how to set it up

 

[FiDoDiDo]

i think blueyonder came out and configered it as the router is coming through the wall and upstairs, but the pc is downstairs now and were stuck with a router upstairs and having to have wireless for it downstairs.


im tryin to get her to let me rip it all out or just extend it with a cat5 (?) ethernet cable.

i'll try enter ip in address bar and see what it says.

but do i just enter my own wpa key for it? or will it be a master key that they all use?

I had this type of problem with a Sky router which is configured at the factory, got into the router by guessing the password but they'd changed the firmwire so I couldn't change the settings anyway.

The router won't have WPA set at the moment as you say it's unsecured, you'll have to set the WPA yourself.

 

[FiDoDiDo]

On secured wans do I need the WEP key to get to the router login screen?

i.e. 192.168.0.1

I have about 5 wireless networks in my apartment block. Ours is locked down tighter than a nun, but I was trying to connect to some others but it never gains a IP addy without the WEP key.

WEP isn't worth having on as you can crack it easy, have at least WPA on.