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V6 v VXR 220
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scan it scan it!!!
im off out now to grab a copy
TonyKL - another magazine for you to buy....
Its a press car thats been loaned to Chris Harris
This is the VXR220. You are talking just over 4 seconds to 60. Has a lot more than 150bhp!
This uses a turbo as opposed to the original 2.2 NA 150bhp car (which btw was £5k less than a V6 but as quick).
Have to say my Vectra had the 2.2l engine out of the old NA VX220. Despite being 300kg heavier it would rape my 182 anywhere below 5.5k rpm!
Its disrespectful to the V6 to compare it to a hard core track car like the VXR. If the V6 loses then that proves nothing and if it wins then everyone will know its a sham test. V6 cant win. Its an hot hatch enthusiasts car not a road legal racer. This comparison wont do the V6 justice.
You need to read the article. The VXR has 217hp v 255hp, yet 235hp per tonne v the V6s 180hp per tonne. However the V6 comes out on top....
Maybe its not all just about who wins off the line! and about the entire package of each car? one will beat the other on desirability and another will win as a track day car...etc Anyone that has this mag, can u tell us what its comparing? We all know performance its the VXR! and desirability it would be the V6.
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I actively considered the VX220 turbo (yes I drove it on a track etc) before buying my V6. Straight-line stats do not tell the whole story. It depends what youre after, particularly if its an everyday car.
"Dont get me wrong, I liked and admired the VXR220, and it would make a formidable track day weapon. Had I no children Id look forward to driving the Clio every day. The ride and refinement - unexpected plus points -are more than enough for the weekly grind to work. And when the roads cleared, Id concentrate on driving it as well as I possibly could. The best rewards are always those that have required the hardest work and I know the challenge of of driving the Clio properly would never wear off, unlike the thrill of the VXRs surreal pace"
think you need to read the review Toypop, the v6 comes out on top because its more fun to drive everyday and it looks so much better. The whole review wasnt about performance it was about what was the best £30k car with a mid engine that can be used as an everyday car. Even the review says for out right performance the vauxvall wins.
i know. but big bhp carries you past ever hardening aerodynamic forces once past 100mph. so yea it will rape in accelaration (sigh is that all people care about, what about noise and other sensory goodies that come with a highly tunne rear engine 2 seater V6) but 217bhp isnt much when you want to go from 100-155.
anyways. the VX220 is well cheap second hand and hasnt kept its value aswell as an elise. my m8 just bought a lt edition 150bhp vx220 with 4k on the clock one year old for 17k !!.
ohh and they look like lego cars IMO. the v6 looks better and so does an elise although neither have the goodies and comfort of the V6.
still that review does sound a load of b****cks. id still rather have a V6 even a mk1.
why do people pay sooo much money for a car that will do little else than perform well on a track ?!? people who buy the V6 use that as their number1 car and not have a need for another. people who own elise,caterham,vx220,atom etc.. all have other large comfy cars. madness. spend the money on an very good allrounder rather than a 1hit wonder thats so expensive you cant afford anything else.
Exactly Mike, depends what you are after. These are two completely different cars aimed a two completely different segments of the market so what the hell is this review trying to prove?
The VXR should be compared with the Elise/Exige/Caterham etc. The V6 has absolutely no place in that company. It should be compared with the 350z etc.
Anything on a track would be a walk over for the VXR.
If you do an "everyday car" test and set the V6 up against a track day special like the VXR you make it look like the V6 is so crap that you have to fix the test in its favour for it to win anything.
Its a bit like doing a group test with the Reliant Robin and saying "ok lets base it on cars that can be driven on a budget" and then putting it up against a Bentley Continental T!!!
The V6 won...
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I agree theyre in completely different market sectors. I think the banner headline on the mag reads "The wildest way to spend £30k". I guess youd have to include an Evo 8 to justify that headline too.
But a win, as they say, is a win
They want to properly push their weekend toy to the limits. thats just not possible on the road, so why not get a proper track prepared car and get the ultimate driving experience? (without mowing down small childeren, old ladies, big trees, goats etc)
because i dont have the funds for a westfield XTR or ariel atom; i want to get a little car, e.g. 106 gti and get it stripped out for the track and get my thrills in that, rather than pretended to be in the fast and the furious and race people on the dual carridgeway next to maccies
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VXR with the optional [essential] ohlins is a totally different car to a clio v6, its a stupid comparison.
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VXR vs Exige would be a proper comparison.
[Edited by cupsportmad on 26 October 2004 at 7:54pm]
The article was more about if you had £30k to spend on a two seater mid engined sports car - which should you get. The VX and Elise are very similar in characteristics so it would make a boring comparison. Besides the Flagship Elise is now more than £30k. Alot of people, myself included would consider these two cars if the budget was relatively the same. They both offer their own advantages and are different in many ways.
The main reason for the VXr losing is that the car can handle the limitations of driving on the road very easily. It never gave the driver cause to concerntrate on how the car would react. It had very little character. The Clio on the other hand was entertaining in so much that it involved the driver in to concerntrating on their driving style and how the car would react.
Hmm my opinion of the VX was that it was a car that is almost always going to be far superior to the driver so unless your name is Tiff you wont be doing anything exciting with it as you are the weakest link and the car is always one step ahead.
Certainly on the track I reached my limit before the car reached its limit where as in a Caterham I managed to get it out of shape a good few times. In that sense the Caterham was more exciting.
If you mark a car down for handling too well then so be it. I guess I preferred driving the Caterham but the VX was a better car if that makes any sense.
You would have to be driving at suicidal speeds to get within 50% of the VXs limit on a road so in I guess the V6s flaws (when in the company of gifted track cars) are what makes it more attractive to a certain type of driver.
Yeah but why dont you just get a basic 1.2 Fiesta? You cant even use the performance of the 182 on the road without putting yourself at risk of getting nicked or hurting someone.
Same applies to owning a super car too. Its knowing that it CAN do something rather than actually doing it.
A bit like these lard asses u see in the pub wearing the latest £150 Nike trainers! They aint gonna go running but they wear them because they want to know that they have something that is the best at what it does!
Maybe its just the way my mind works but if I had a V6 and I saw someone else with a VX I would feel inferior because deep down I would know their car is quicker than mine even though on public roads neither one will be going quicker than the other. Maybe its also because all I care about is having a car that has the best performance for the money as opposed to worrying about style/image/fun etc.
I admit after having the 182 a couple of weeks I found my Vectra more pleasureable to drive mainly down to the long wheel base, the engines characteristics and better seating position but Id still rather have the Clio because I know its quicker - even though I cant actually go any quicker in it!!! A messed up way of thinking I suppose!
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Quote: Originally posted by cliotuRS on 26 October 2004
i know. but big bhp carries you past ever hardening aerodynamic forces once past 100mph. so yea it will rape in accelaration (sigh is that all people care about, what about noise and other sensory goodies that come with a highly tunne rear engine 2 seater V6) but 217bhp isnt much when you want to go from 100-155.
anyways. the VX220 is well cheap second hand and hasnt kept its value aswell as an elise. my m8 just bought a lt edition 150bhp vx220 with 4k on the clock one year old for 17k !!.
ohh and they look like lego cars IMO. the v6 looks better and so does an elise although neither have the goodies and comfort of the V6.
still that review does sound a load of b****cks. id still rather have a V6 even a mk1.
why do people pay sooo much money for a car that will do little else than perform well on a track ?!? people who buy the V6 use that as their number1 car and not have a need for another. people who own elise,caterham,vx220,atom etc.. all have other large comfy cars. madness. spend the money on an very good allrounder rather than a 1hit wonder thats so expensive you cant afford anything else.
Quote: Originally posted by Toypop on 26 October 2004
Yeah but why dont you just get a basic 1.2 Fiesta?
Maybe its just the way my mind works but if I had a V6 and I saw someone else with a VX I would feel inferior because deep down I would know their car is quicker than mine even though on public roads neither one will be going quicker than the other.
1. Because the V6 255 is one of the best looking cars on the road for £25k.
2. I do see 220s around and dont feel at all inferior, although I might if I only had a 182.....
Simon.
