yer had them on my 1.8 16v clio excellent tyre with very predictable handling and long lasting. In comparission to F1's which i have on my car now there the vredesteins are not as good traction wise, and for some reason i have more faith in the f1's, seem to give that bit more confidence in the corners. But if you want a cheaper tyre thats up there, then definatly go for it