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The thing is weve had threads on CTRs and the like before, and you only need to read car magazines for a completely one way review. The CTR has a great gearbox, fun/annoying engine, an ok chassis but doesnt give much in feedback. The 172 is fast, a good handler and IMO is better looking.
The Saxo and 106 are very old cars, and performance wise arent much of a step up from a valver. It doesnt make financial sense to buy one.
Seats are good in lots of ways, but, dont excel in anything.
I take the sl*gging comment was directed at me as i went against what bambam said. Im not sl*gging anything off, im giving a general opinion, its not like i genuinely care what car Dust gets!
Now if you think im having a go at you, PM me, dont put it on here as the thread might be locked.
Come on bambam, he asked this question here, obviously asking for our suggestions, now if I wasnt allowed to give my opinion on the matter what should I say? oh yeah get a Rolls, Bentley R, Noble M12, or indeed one of those new little motorised disabled vehicles..... Duh?
Nope, Im sorry but I have to say 172 cos in my mind the difference the cup has over it isnt that much, but you get all the goodies too, if you wana get a VTR or 106/206gti go for it, but imho then youll just be joining a big bunch of sameies, load of people have em (no offence Craggy! LoL)
Im the sort of person that sees buying brand new cars as a pointless exercise unless you can avoid the depreciation or you want to keep it for a very long time. Yes, yes, I know - I also wear leather patches on the elbows of my tweed jacket!
But when youre looking at a hot hatch this isnt so much of an issue as they depreciate less - even a ten year old 16v will make 25% of its original value when modern rep-fodder make about that after three to five years!
Still, if youve got that amount of cash, I do want to add that maybe you should think about getting a solid, boring car for the mileage for maybe £3k and use the rest to fund something you really want.
The VTS/106 GTi duo are basically the next step from the 16v, much like the 16v was from the 205 GTi. Theres not much between any of them in handling and accelerative terms, but the newer cars are obviously younger and will last longer.
But for your £12k I dont think you can do much better than a Cup. A great car that will keep your wallet and driving senses happy.
I never said the 206GTI would be a good GTI, but it will be as quick as a 172 and until it is tested we wont know what the chasis is like, but if Peugeot learn from their WRC success it may well be a lot better than you give it credit for.
For 16 - 20K I would get 172 still and spend the rest on upgrades. Or get a second hand EVO or an ITR.
The new Evo is going to be cheaper I think but running costs are still going to be high.
The only one that "might" not depreciate as fast is the Focus RS. I would suggest if you can afford one - get a test drive. As far as i am aware there is no demo cars from Ford but some dealerships bought one in to use instead. I have to admit I like the idea of the power without the running costs of 4WD (EVO/COSSIE/SCOOB).
If not then the 206 180bhp cant be to far away?
The CTR & 172 seem pretty good.
I would pick up a nearly new car to miss out on the large depreciation. You can still get a warranty and theres no gureentee a new car will be reliable anyway.
Oh i forgot about the VAG Tdis. My mate had on order a Ibiza Tdi Sport. 130bhp as std but can be chipped a lot higher. Once chipped It gets near scoobie speeds and 55mpg. Its a hot hatch although diesel.
why not buy the bug eye version of the scooby? dealer near me offered one to mymate for £17.5K!!! then get the prodrive kit?
get a cup and get every convievable extra possible from Renaultsport (when they come out) and be the envy of everyone, plus the fact that it is a bit of a Q car and no one expects to be completely blown away by one!
Personally I would go for the Leon R as it is the muts nuts to look at, the brembo brakes alone make me want it..
For value for money though I think the cup gives you best bang for your buck!