Which Williams?

[therealMAtt]

I've been looking for a williams for a while now but still can't figure out the differences between all 3 models.

Is there any big differences and is there one that i should look out for, like the first williams for being the rarest.

Also how much should i budget for 1 when looking around i've found some for £6000-7000 but i can only really afford about £4000

 

[B16DOE]

you will easy get a nice one for 4k i would try and find a williams 3

 

[White16valver]

£4k should get you a very tidy Willy 1 on low mileage!

2s and 3s are cheaper but just as good if you get one that's been looked after.

 

[Paul J]

I know sod all about them but have a growing interest since having been in a 1*2 engined mk1, from what i gather;

1 - The original, most hardcore, the best, limited, hard to get

2 - Marketing driven, most diluted

3 - Return to slightly more hardcore, prob the best bet to find a nice one at reasonable price.

Now i have no idea what actual changes were made or if thats even accurate above, but will keep an eye on this thread to hopefully find out

 

[therealMAtt]

there is a williams 1 on ebay in the classifiesd ads with 72k but for £5000 that sounds a bit too much for that milage but im not 100% sure!

 

[bisonvalver]

I know sod all about them but have a growing interest since having been in a 1*2 engined mk1, from what i gather;

1 - The original, most hardcore, the best, limited, hard to get

2 - Marketing driven, most diluted

3 - Return to slightly more hardcore, prob the best bet to find a nice one at reasonable price.

Now i have no idea what actual changes were made or if thats even accurate above, but will keep an eye on this thread to hopefully find out

More hardcore, less hardcore? Other than cosmetic and electronic differences etc they are basically all the same care, the only argument being the slight weight differences.

Generally though I think a 1 is seen by many as the 'original' and 'proper' Williams, the only one displaying the gold plaque and was intended as the only run at first I believe. However the 3 was the rarest in terms of amount built for the UK (just over 300 I think, compared to nearer to 400 for 1s) and had a few extra bits in. The Williams 2 is seen as less 'special' I suppose but just the same really, the least rare, etc. Both the 1 and 2 were in 449 blue and the 3 in 432 (a lighter shade of blue). The 1 is the only Williams that's a ph1, others were ph2. It's all down to personal preference I suppose.

4k is more than enough for one easily. The best thing you can do is to check the for sale section of the Williamsclio forum, the majority of the members will have taken good care of their cars and understand its real value.

 

[len_beach]

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/284605.htm

 

[nth]

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/284605.htm

lol beat me 2 it

 

[Daz]

My list of differences between the 1, 2, and the 3.

Williams 1, 2 & 3 Differences

Standard For All Williams Models

• Oval Plate number for Williams is C57M. The 16v is C57D.
• 150bhp, 2.0 16v Engine.
• Wider Front Track than the 16v, Uprated Suspension front and rear than the 16v.
• Williams Badges on Rear Arches and Tailgate. Williams 1 says "Williams", Williams 2 says "Williams 2" and Williams 3 says "Williams 3"
• Williams sill plate in black
• Gold wheels with the silver rim - the same wheels across all Williams'.
• Williams Stitched interior with lumbar support and height adjustment
• Blue Seat Belts
• Carry Case attached to Parcel Shelf
• No Brake Coolers like found on the 16v
• Blue Dials (Speedo, Rev Counter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temperature, Oil Level, Coolant Temperature)
• Blue Gear Knob
• Blue Carpet in main cabin area
• Slightly larger than 16v, colour-coded rear tailgate spoiler
• Electric Windows, Power Steering, Central Locking
• Oil Cooler fitted, the 16v didn't have one
• Uprated front subframe than the clio 16v subframe

Clio Williams 1 - Produced 1993/94 (L) - 390 Manufactured for the UK

• Based on the Mk1, Phase1 Clio's. (1991 - 1994)
• Small Bump Strips, 2.0 badge round side repeaters
• Flat looking rear lights with black plastic strip
• Badges (Renault and Clio) are on the boot strip.
• Slated Front Non Colour-coded Grill
• Phase1 16v Mirrors but manually controlled
• Phase1 Heater Controls
• Blue Carpet throughout including boot carpet!
• All were Sports Blue (449)
• Only 4" Dash Speakers in front (no rear speakers)
• Plaque to show number of car (as limited run)
• Williams Badges are an Outline, and not filled.

Clio Williams 2 - Produced 1994/95 (M) - 482 Manufactured for the UK

• Based on the Mk1, Phase2 Clio's. (1994 - 1996)
• Larger, more rounded bump strips - with 2.0 badges
• More Rounded Rear Lights and Boot Strip to match
• Badges (Renault and Clio) are on the tailgate now.
• Colour Coded, different style Grill
• Phase2 Electric/Heated Mirrors
• Phase2 Heater Controls
• Again, All Sports Blue 449.
• Only 4" Dash Speakers in front (no rear speakers)
• Revised Williams Stickers

Clio Williams 3 - Produced 1995/96 (N) - 308 Manufactured for the UK

• Based on the Williams 2 (Mk1, Phase2 Clio)
• Electric door mirrors
• Introduction of door speakers (5 1/4")
• Introduction of rear 4" speakers
• Change of colour to Monoco Blue (432)
• ABS as standard
• Electric Sunroof as standard
• Williams badges seem a brighter gold and a deeper blue infill.
• Blaupunkt headunit & Steering Wheel Stereo Control
• Revised Dashboard illumination
• Revised Williams Stickers again

 

[a.e]

there is a williams 1 on ebay in the classifiesd ads with 72k but for £5000 that sounds a bit too much for that milage but im not 100% sure!

Don't buy that car. I went to see it, its far from MINT. Rear aches where done by someone who is colour blind.

£4000 should get you a mint standard one with below 60000miles. The condition of these is more important than mileage.

Andrew

 

[Ian_182]

Good luck finding a mint one

 

[Ian_182]

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=274948

In fact i have just found you a mint one and loads of people know its history too

 

[Paul J]

Looks like the idea i had about them was complete bo!!ocks then lol

Were there no suspension/geometry/gearing changes at all then?

 

[Christopher]

i'd love to buy Lewis' car

minter!

 

[clio-girl]

go for a willy 1!

 

[cat171]

I'd go for the one in the best condition tbh.

 

[Dan_mk1]

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=274948

In fact i have just found you a mint one and loads of people know its history too

My old williams 1! 1's are the best and most pure imo, plus the ph1 bits looks more old skool!

My williams 2 is gonna be up for sale soon, just having some stonechips etc done then its gonna be up

 

[Alex_X93]

Williams 1 the best model in my opinion .

 

[lewisniven]

yeah mines up atm dude. I even scratchX'd the whole damn ar, lol!.

let me know if ur interested, im open to sensible offers now, lol.

 

[Ian_182]

so nice and clean

 

[lewisniven]

bloomin well should be, i was pretty much dead by the time id finished, lol. that stuff is HARD work.

 

[Dan@SJM]

Looks like the idea i had about them was complete bo!!ocks then lol

Were there no suspension/geometry/gearing changes at all then?

Gearing is all the same, suspension etc is the same through out thew williams, but different from the 16v.(easy to convert)

 

[edde]

I'd buy a 2 on choice as I prefere the wing mirrors. I'd not get a 3 as they have the abs sytem/sunroofs etc.

So I'd look for a 1 or 2 buy on condition though.

 

[FlamingMonkey]

3 all the way

 

[2 live]

well, my advice, for what its worth, being probably the longest standing williams owner on here, stay away from the 3s. the roof will buckle eventually, sunroof ffs, its a drivers car

as stated above, main diffs between them are the ph1-2 trim diff.s. but the 2 has door bars etc, which add a chunk of weight.

willy 1 is the only 1 to buy imo. but then maybe im a bit biased with 2 of em lol. and finding a mint one, mint meaning had no bodywork repairs at all,new paintwork can hide a multitude of problems, is going to be really hard now, only 1 or 2 left

mech wise, they pretty much bullet proof. make sure belts have been done etc. pas is usually a bit noisy, gearboxes are weak.

other than that, good luck mate, and i hope you find a good clean one, theres a lot of polished turds out there now, be warned, a bad un will be a moneypit.

 

[Dan_mk1]

I'd buy a 2 on choice as I prefere the wing mirrors. I'd not get a 3 as they have the abs sytem/sunroofs etc.

So I'd look for a 1 or 2 buy on condition though.

Edde how can you prefer the ph2 mirrors over the ph1?! Your mad! :clown:

 

[edde]

Edde how can you prefer the ph2 mirrors over the ph1?! Your mad! :clown:

There bigger and I just prefere there staight ends as such.

 

[White16valver]

My list of differences between the 1, 2, and the 3.

Williams 1, 2 & 3 Differences

Standard For All Williams Models

• Oval Plate number for Williams is C57M. The 16v is C57D.
• 150bhp, 2.0 16v Engine.
• Wider Front Track than the 16v, Uprated Suspension front and rear than the 16v.
• Williams Badges on Rear Arches and Tailgate. Williams 1 says "Williams", Williams 2 says "Williams 2" and Williams 3 says "Williams 3"
• Williams sill plate in black
• Gold wheels with the silver rim - the same wheels across all Williams'.
• Williams Stitched interior with lumbar support and height adjustment
• Blue Seat Belts
• Carry Case attached to Parcel Shelf
• No Brake Coolers like found on the 16v
• Blue Dials (Speedo, Rev Counter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temperature, Oil Level, Coolant Temperature)
• Blue Gear Knob
• Blue Carpet in main cabin area
• Slightly larger than 16v, colour-coded rear tailgate spoiler
• Electric Windows, Power Steering, Central Locking
• Oil Cooler fitted, the 16v didn't have one
• Uprated front subframe than the clio 16v subframe

Clio Williams 1 - Produced 1993/94 (L) - 390 Manufactured for the UK

• Based on the Mk1, Phase1 Clio's. (1991 - 1994)
• Small Bump Strips, 2.0 badge round side repeaters
• Flat looking rear lights with black plastic strip
• Badges (Renault and Clio) are on the boot strip.
• Slated Front Non Colour-coded Grill
• Phase1 16v Mirrors but manually controlled
• Phase1 Heater Controls
• Blue Carpet throughout including boot carpet!
• All were Sports Blue (449)
• Only 4" Dash Speakers in front (no rear speakers)
• Plaque to show number of car (as limited run)
• Williams Badges are an Outline, and not filled.

Clio Williams 2 - Produced 1994/95 (M) - 482 Manufactured for the UK

• Based on the Mk1, Phase2 Clio's. (1994 - 1996)
• Larger, more rounded bump strips - with 2.0 badges
• More Rounded Rear Lights and Boot Strip to match
• Badges (Renault and Clio) are on the tailgate now.
• Colour Coded, different style Grill
• Phase2 Electric/Heated Mirrors
• Phase2 Heater Controls
• Again, All Sports Blue 449.
• Only 4" Dash Speakers in front (no rear speakers)
• Revised Williams Stickers

Clio Williams 3 - Produced 1995/96 (N) - 308 Manufactured for the UK

• Based on the Williams 2 (Mk1, Phase2 Clio)
• Electric door mirrors
• Introduction of door speakers (5 1/4")
• Introduction of rear 4" speakers
• Change of colour to Monoco Blue (432)
• ABS as standard
• Electric Sunroof as standard
• Williams badges seem a brighter gold and a deeper blue infill.
• Blaupunkt headunit & Steering Wheel Stereo Control
• Revised Dashboard illumination
• Revised Williams Stickers again

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[FATBOY]

My list of differences between the 1, 2, and the 3.

Williams 1, 2 & 3 Differences

Standard For All Williams Models

• Oval Plate number for Williams is C57M. The 16v is C57D.
• 150bhp, 2.0 16v Engine.
• Wider Front Track than the 16v, Uprated Suspension front and rear than the 16v.
• Williams Badges on Rear Arches and Tailgate. Williams 1 says "Williams", Williams 2 says "Williams 2" and Williams 3 says "Williams 3"
• Williams sill plate in black
• Gold wheels with the silver rim - the same wheels across all Williams'.
• Williams Stitched interior with lumbar support and height adjustment
• Blue Seat Belts
• Carry Case attached to Parcel Shelf
• No Brake Coolers like found on the 16v
• Blue Dials (Speedo, Rev Counter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temperature, Oil Level, Coolant Temperature)
• Blue Gear Knob
• Blue Carpet in main cabin area
• Slightly larger than 16v, colour-coded rear tailgate spoiler
• Electric Windows, Power Steering, Central Locking
• Oil Cooler fitted, the 16v didn't have one
• Uprated front subframe than the clio 16v subframe

Clio Williams 1 - Produced 1993/94 (L) - 390 Manufactured for the UK

• Based on the Mk1, Phase1 Clio's. (1991 - 1994)
• Small Bump Strips, 2.0 badge round side repeaters
• Flat looking rear lights with black plastic strip
• Badges (Renault and Clio) are on the boot strip.
• Slated Front Non Colour-coded Grill
• Phase1 16v Mirrors but manually controlled
• Phase1 Heater Controls
• Blue Carpet throughout including boot carpet!
• All were Sports Blue (449)
• Only 4" Dash Speakers in front (no rear speakers)
• Plaque to show number of car (as limited run)
• Williams Badges are an Outline, and not filled.

Clio Williams 2 - Produced 1994/95 (M) - 482 Manufactured for the UK

• Based on the Mk1, Phase2 Clio's. (1994 - 1996)
• Larger, more rounded bump strips - with 2.0 badges
• More Rounded Rear Lights and Boot Strip to match
• Badges (Renault and Clio) are on the tailgate now.
• Colour Coded, different style Grill
• Phase2 Electric/Heated Mirrors
• Phase2 Heater Controls
• Again, All Sports Blue 449.
• Only 4" Dash Speakers in front (no rear speakers)
• Revised Williams Stickers

Clio Williams 3 - Produced 1995/96 (N) - 308 Manufactured for the UK

• Based on the Williams 2 (Mk1, Phase2 Clio)
• Electric door mirrors
• Introduction of door speakers (5 1/4")
• Introduction of rear 4" speakers
• Change of colour to Monoco Blue (432)
• ABS as standard
• Electric Sunroof as standard
• Williams badges seem a brighter gold and a deeper blue infill.
• Blaupunkt headunit & Steering Wheel Stereo Control
• Revised Dashboard illumination
• Revised Williams Stickers again

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that looks familiar!!!! copyright ;0)

 

[Daz]

This post should be a sticky if it's not already

that looks familiar!!!! copyright ;0)

Indeed. Look who contributed it to WilliamsClio tho

 

[rs250nut]

looks mint matey, i brought williams that was not that mint and am finding out slowley how expensive parts are for these cars. I would spend a while looking for a nice one but that willy 1 above looks very nice and has good history.

 

[FATBOY]

lol didnt realise you were "cliosport server host" daz

apologies. and its good to see your differences list is the bible mate

 

[Lunner]

looks mint matey, i brought williams that was not that mint and am finding out slowley how expensive parts are for these cars. I would spend a while looking for a nice one but that willy 1 above looks very nice and has good history.

Parts are cheao if you know where to go, its the labour thats expensive....not the easiest cars to work on lo....but gotta love em